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It isn't a term any Celtic would recognise.

well just thought of the Celtic Wicca thing

'Wicca' is a term invented in the 20th century.

Yeah it was invented some 50 years ago but it is based,partly, on Northern European pagan believes

And the pagan beliefs are very genuine, I am sure! But too many people think that wicca is some sort of ancient ancestral thing, when it is actually a vague modern day hotch-potch

like all the other religions

Well, at least you can say that people would recognise the term Christianity 1000 years back!

Lets come back to this arguement in a thousand years and see where it's gotten us.

Meaning?

We would have better insight to how people will consider wicca in a thousand years...as it is now we can only guess...and not really get anywhere.

Well, yeah... but I am pretty sure most people at the dawn of Christianity were not pretending that it was anything other than new! Wicca is the first to feign a historical past it does not have.

I guess that's your point of view..I'm sure theirs is that the pagan practices are their birthright and inspiration.

POV of view be damned, it cannot override the facts- Wicca simply did not exist before the 20th century.

If they want to practice paganism then fine but pretending the umbrella term of wicca is something ancient is self-delusion. It's almost exclusively an American term anyway.

LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING!...Look at American Christian denominations. It's the American way to start a new offshoot of something.

So quit bitching and accept it. *sticks out tongue* dont' even understand my country..

Nonsense. They claim historical roots of something that was practiced in communities of Europe. No community in Europe would even know what the phrase IS. What I am saying is that much of Wicca is a lie.

I am not even decrying wicca. But to pretend it has historical roots is to lie. That simple.

I'm sure it does have historical roots..they're nto saying that they brought it over lock, stock and barrel. Just a few bits here and a few bits there.

Err, actually, I think you will find most of them say that wicca is an ancestral tradition dating back to Lord knows when, all part of a deception created in the 50s by Gerald Gardner talking a load of crap about what he found in England's New Forest. Believe me, I have talked to enough that hold this view.

The reality is that it cannot be dated to anything earlier than 1902, and in the States only.

It does indeed have historical roots as the orginal idea is an umbrella term of many previous things. IF it was accepted as such there would be no problem but most adherents (and the common idea about it spread by things like Buffy) give it a grand ancestral tradition that is not appropriate.

Well..it's not really up to you to say what's appropiate when it comes to religion..

I am not saying appropriate as pertains to religion. I am saying appropriate as pertains to common sense. Inventing a false history is clearly inappropriate no matter what. I don;t see why the NEED to create such a thing. As you say, all those American Churches are thriving great and they never had to pretend that Europe had been practicing their interpretation of Christianity for thousands of years!

The Wiccans who actually KNOW anything about what they practice acknowledge that it is modern and add that it does not matter. Fair play to them. But too many people hold it in great ignorance.

Yeah well...that's not really news to alot of us is it?.. THere are alot of stupid people out there.