Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Death.
Not entirely true to be honest.
It was 616 Death.
Beyonder had previously said that in his opinion that 616 was a multiverse of sorts because of the various dimensions associated with it. Dimensions like Asgard, the Negative Zone, the Dark Dimension etc.
Some writers use the term multiverse interchangably with universe when referring to what we would generally deem a universe because of this point.
However in Secret Wars 2, when Death is killed, it was the 616 Death we all know, not some imaginary "Multi-Death" that has never been stated on panel or in a bio to exist. That was just thought up by some readers after reading in the death of Death scene that the effects can be felt throughout the multiverse.
However if you read 616 Deaths bio, you'll see that it was indeed the Death that was affected.
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderkillsdeath3tq0.jpg
This scan disagree a bit with you GS.
Originally posted by Utrigita
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderkillsdeath3tq0.jpgThis scan disagree a bit with you GS.
My previous post addresses that very line.
I referred specifically to it. Have a read back and you'll see.
On top of that my post explains how the words multiverse and universe are confusingly used interchangeably by some writers.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
My previous post addresses that very line.I referred specifically to it. Have a read back and you'll see.
On top of that my post explains how the words multiverse and universe are confusingly used interchangeably by some writers.
Except that Pre-retcon Beyonder shows us that it was a multiverse, and it's later confirmed that the marvel is a multiverse yet again.
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondspacetime2pq7.jpg
and again
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderscansthemultiverseim8.jpg
and again Multiverse.
If Marvel wasn't a multiverse would would parallel Dimensions begin collapsing by him thinking?
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderthinkingtf2.jpg
Ore does jim Shotter just from your point of view just doesn't understand the therm Multiverse even though he gives quite a few examples of what it is?
So you are using a updated bio that takes no heights for eventual retcon as proof? Can I use the Handbook on Molecule Man from before the retcon as current proof...
Originally posted by Utrigita
Except that Pre-retcon Beyonder shows us that it was a multiverse, and it's later confirmed that the marvel is a multiverse yet again.http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondspacetime2pq7.jpg
and again
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderscansthemultiverseim8.jpg
and again Multiverse.
If Marvel wasn't a multiverse would would parallel Dimensions begin collapsing by him thinking?
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderthinkingtf2.jpg
Ore does jim Shotter just from your point of view just doesn't understand the therm Multiverse even though he gives quite a few examples of what it is?
So you are using a updated bio that takes no heights for eventual retcon as proof? Can I use the Handbook on Molecule Man from before the retcon as current proof...
You've completely missed the point of my post.
Please read it again.
I never once said Marvel wasn't a multiverse.
I said that sometimes, universes within marvel are referred to as multiverses, because these universes have multiple dimensions connected.
For example 616 has Asgard and the Dark Dimension and the Negative Zone, separate dimensions connected specifically to 616.
Then if you go pick up an Ultimate Universe comic, you'll see that connected to that universe is its own Negative Zone and other dimensions.
You can pick up a What If issue situated in an alternate universe and read tales of that different universe interacting with its own version of Asgard or the Dark Dimension that has nothing to do with the Asgard and Dark Dimensions we see in 616 comics.
That is why 616 and some of these universes are referred to as a multiverses sometimes as opposed to universes within the greater Marvel multiverse.
That is why i then went on to show this scan of Beyonder talking of how 616 specifically can be seen as a multiverse in its own right
That explains why the destruction of 616 Death, can be stated to have effects across the multiverse. The writer isnt referring to the true multiverse i.e 616 and all of the alternate universes, but instead was referring to 616. The fact that the writer states that the terms can be used interchangably as i've shown on panel supports this.
On top of that, Deaths 616 bio proves it is her and not some imagined "Multi-Death" that no one outside of a few confused comic book readers has heard of. Because this entity was never ever confirmeed on panel or bio.
You've just seen the term multiverse and created this previously unheard of entity out of nowhere. An entity that was never seen before this issue and has never been heard of since.
Why? Because it doesn't exist. 😬
Originally posted by Badabing
I guess warnings and temp bans didn't impress upon you that name calling is not acceptable. Next time it's another warning. Thanks.
Plus, I didn't actually report him, but since you told me to stop you should also do something about his ignoring evidence aka trolling.
P.S. I reviewed what I posted and see that I stayed on topic. But I guess anything is possible. I mean quanchi got banned for simply posting. Anyways, Classic Beyonder wins this and I won't be posting in this thread again because I feel that great and intelligent debating is prohibited here on KMC.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Actually, I didn't get banned for that and bringing up the same past unjust warnings doesn't help your case either (IMO). And you failed to read the scan where it says Death died and the "full effect will reach all life in the multiverse!" Shooter didn't leave it up for interpretation or imply it, he literally used the word multiverse and this panel is from the main series.
During the Secret Wars 2 event, Beyonder was reported on panel as i've shown stating that the 616 can be referred to as a universe in its own right.
That very point should open your mind to the possibility that sometimes a reference to multiverse, could instead refer to what we would generally see as just a universe.
In the same issue that Death was killed, Beyonder declares himself a champion of life and talked of ending the reign of the abstracts who he referred to as universal beings.
THE SAME ISSUE.
Beyonder then goes on to kill Death and the abstracts say the effects can be felt throughout the multiverse.
Because of the use of the term multiverse, you and others have made up a character called "Multi-Death". A character who has never been referred to on panel, or in a bio. Not BEFORE the scene or even AFTER.
On top of that, 616 Deaths bio confirms it was HER who was the entity affected.
Your interpretation of that contradicts all of those points. Mine simply takes BEYONDERS OWN explanation FROM THE SAME EVENT, that sometimes universes can be referred to as multiverses and uses that to make sense of the odd reference.
No need for me to make up characters. I just use whats explained clearly on panel 🙂
Originally posted by Air LegendYou name called. That's against the rules. End of story. I know the reason you were banned. "Reason: Member bashing and ignoring previous warnings from moderator." The fact that three different mods warned you for bashing proves my case. Name calling = bashing. You also have been warned before for continuing off topic rants about people getting warned and banned. I don't care if you disagree with what GS thinks of the scans. He wasn't even talking to you. You have a track record of bashing among other things. Consider this another warning. Anything else can taken to a PM. Thanks.
Actually, I didn't get banned for that and bringing up the same past unjust warnings doesn't help your case either (IMO). And you failed to read the scan where it says Death died and the "full effect will reach all life in the multiverse!" Shooter didn't leave it up for interpretation or imply it, he literally used the word multiverse and this panel is from the main series. All GS does is claim it's still a universal effect as "addressed previously". So yeah don't know what else to say. And it's funny how Galan and batdude and a few select others do the same thing as me, but nothing happens to them (and I'm not talking about the spamming incident).Plus, I didn't actually report him, but since you told me to stop you should also do something about his ignoring evidence aka trolling.
P.S. I reviewed what I posted and see that I stayed on topic. But I guess anything is possible. I mean quanchi got banned for simply posting. Anyways, Classic Beyonder wins this and I won't be posting in this thread again because I feel that great and intelligent debating is prohibited here on KMC.
Hmmm, it's a really tough choice.
Originally posted by Badabing
You name called. That's against the rules. End of story. I know the reason you were banned. "[b]Reason: Member bashing and ignoring previous warnings from moderator." The fact that three different mods warned you for bashing proves my case. Name calling = bashing. You also have been warned before for continuing off topic rants about people getting warned and banned. I don't care if you disagree with what GS thinks of the scans. He wasn't even talking to you. You have a track record of bashing among other things. Consider this another warning. Anything else can taken to a PM. Thanks. [/B]
Looks like you were right to hand out another warning.
