Originally posted by Vampire Savior I would take MK in a FG tournament over SSBB any day.
Thing is bro, SSBB has a strong community with a numerous tournaments and strong competitive attendance. I haven't heard of a real Top Lvl/High Money MK tournament in years seriously.
Originally posted by Vampire Savior
Well if that's how it is than I guess it wont show. Man, I bet games like SC and SF draw hundreds. I heard Tekken didn't do as well because it was somethin like it was broken wit infinites and stuff.
I don't know if SC4 will draw hundreds, that will remain to be seen, however with the release of SF:IV, it is very possible that it will indeed draw 100+ tournament attendance for that game. 3S did it easily with 100+ back in 2005, and Tekken 5 did about as much as well back in 05, taking 2nd in the amount of attendance after 3S.
Will Tekken 6 do the same, I really don't know, because half the community is split in that game being good, and that game being trash (I'm part of the group that says that game is trash, heck, it even made me like Tekken 5 : DR and I thought that Tekken game was trashy, Tekken to me hasn't been awesome since T4/TTT days).
The showcased games at Evo are definitely the SF games, because in the USA Street Fighter is the most popular on the competitive lvl overall, so it comes as no surprise.
Originally posted by Vampire Savior
Damn, has Mortal Kombat really fallen that hard, I thought games like MKDA and MKA would be at the tourny, are they?
Off the top of my head, I don't ever recall there being a MK game at Evo.
Originally posted by Vampire Savior
I think it's gonna be there...it has DC characters in it.
Really depends on the amount of competition and the community, then they would have to persuade the Evo board that MK vs DC is legit, after that, who knows.
Originally posted by Vampire Savior
I hope they fix Tekken6 before they put it out there cuz I heard some pretty bad stuff about the gameplay over in Japan, thus far.
Tekken 6 has some key flaws that since day #1, I talked about it to people back at TZ.
1. Bound
2. Rage
3. Crush System
All 3 of these make things annoying and frustrating, bound extends juggles, making wall carries so much easier, and it prolongs juggles.
Rage gives a losing player a bonus to do greater damage.
Crushes since T5 to T6 are horrible, as to how you get crushed for throwing out a jab with + frame advantage boggles the mind out of me. Not to mention, doing a low poke, getting high crush hopkick for 60% damage is absolutely ridiculous.
You combine all of those together, and it gets messy, the thing is, if you play it casually, you won't really notice it. However if your playing with frame advantages in mind, seeing whiffs, spacing, etc, etc...the game becomes really watered down.
Still a fun game, but definitely the most watered down Tekken game I have seen yet, and definitely the most newbie friendly by far now.
As for me, my predictions is that SF:IV will arguably draw the biggest tournament listing of players for Evolution 2008. It has one advantage imo, and that is that their has been a huge 10+ year drought since a new SF game has shown up.
It's ignited alot of interest, and possibly alot of players, and definitely some new heads into the frey. So this is the game, I'm sure will be at the helm.
I cannot emphasize this enough...if you want to get known, and if you want to really get better, enter in tournaments.
That's one of the best ways to experience much better players, plus motivation to you wanting to improve your game. Obviously your only as good as your competition around you, however if your competition around you is not as good, then help to improve it.
I remember back in the mid 90's, I went to Chicago to play in a SSFII tournament, only to realize how pathetic I was compared to the True Super Elites in SF. Guys like Jess and his Fei-Long where wrecking havoc all over the place, and Mike Watson, the best player at the tournament showed why he was one of the Top 5 best SFII players in the US.
Omgosh, they where so good, and here I was coming from my local area being one of the best, and taking pride in that, however getting their, my pride whimpered down to a puppy dog in comparison to these super elite players.
However, coming back from tournaments like those, you gain alot of things and knowledge.
You'll even receive recognition, because back in the early years of SSBM, everyone used to say that Link's grab into Down Throw couldn't link into his SpinAttack because opponents could tech out of it.
However I went to a tournament to showcase that at certain percentages, you could not avoid it with certain characters. For example...if your Roy or around that middle-weight range and normal fall speed, at around 48%-120%, you cannot avoid Link's grab, throw down, into SpinAttack Combo.
No amount of DI, will save you, and at that particular tournament, when Link was only a Middle Tier character, I took him all the way to 5th Place. Although some of you may go...wtf, 5th place? Why do you talk, only 3rd place or higher should get recognition.
However, when you facing short hop laser spamming Falco's, Shine Combo Foxes, Aerial dominating Marth's, annoying Peaches, knee destroying Capt. Falcons, getting 5th place is pretty darn amazing, especially with LINK of all characters. I mean, I even beat the guy who took 1st with Fox, I knocked him into Losers bracket, but he came out from it to win it all, while I got peaced out by a Peach Player... 😠 .
So yeah, although I no longer play tournaments for the numerous SF games, Tekken, SSBM, etc, etc other fighting games, as someone who has entered in tournaments, all I can say is.
Go to them, even if your not that good, who really cares, if people call you a scrub, who cares, because everyone started out as newbie. With practice, and good competition, you'll only get better, and who know's where you may go from there.
Shoot, if I was 14 again or something, to where I didn't have a job yet, and didn't have a whole lot of responsibilities, you'd bet I'd be entering in tournaments to play... 😄
Evolution 2009 ftw! That Evo might be the best Evo to attend of all time, because of the showcasing of all the new fighting games that will be there for it.
Originally posted by chithappens
No one here thinks they could play in these tournaments and do decently?
Even if you don't win, it's still a good time and you meet some cool people.
Me and a few friends are about bottom-tier tournament level. I've been on GGPO kicking ass since yesterday (with this tag; yeah, I'm a noob getting it to work) and met some really good players.
One guy played with the best 3S Ibuki I have ever seen. He said my Elena was the best he had seen. It was good times.
But I hate to see people pussy out to much on games. MvC2 comp is pretty good but they are not the best I have ever seen. Justin Wong is good but they spam the same stuff and the same characters and a lot of stuff could be exploited if everyone would stop using the top 6 players in the game only.
Originally posted by chithappens
Me and a few friends are about bottom-tier tournament level. I've been on GGPO kicking ass since yesterday (with this tag; yeah, I'm a noob getting it to work) and met some really good players.One guy played with the best 3S Ibuki I have ever seen. He said my Elena was the best he had seen. It was good times.
But I hate to see people pussy out to much on games. MvC2 comp is pretty good but they are not the best I have ever seen. Justin Wong is good but they spam the same stuff and the same characters and a lot of stuff could be exploited if everyone would stop using the top 6 players in the game only.
GGPO does have some solid players however it's the real up tournaments with the no lag/lag spikes that truly prove a point. I've had my nightmares trying to play people online which was just absolutely ridiculous at times. I even had trouble buffering things like c.fk into Hadouken on SFII, something that is second nature to me at the arcades.
However I disagree on your statement of MvC2, because that game is one of the most technical and demanding fighting games I have ever bore witness to.
The amount of things that you have to know and learn is absolutely ridiculous, and the execution required for some of the most powerful tactics in that game require a huge lvl of effort. Utilizing the Top 6, or Big 4, makes perfect sense, because in a tournament it's not about "who I want to play as", but "Who will give me the win".
If I wanted to play MvC2 by characters I "liked" I would be playing Ryu/Gambit/Strider...however seriously, how far can that team really carry me? They have barely any options, Ryu can do almost nothing, Gambit isn't anything to behold about and Strider isn't Top unless he has Doom paired with him.
However, the real thing is...what can other characters like Guile, Iceman, Colossus do that the strongest characters in MvC2 can't do, but 10x better?
Also, if you look at any fighting game at the tournament, lvl, they are choosing Top-Tiers and practically winning with Top-Tier. 5 out of the 8 Top Place Finishers for 3S where Chunli, in fact, the Top 3 Finishers in 3S this year where all Chunli players. Taking these into consideration for all games, not just MvC2, alot of characters just wont get alot of love.
So it makes absolute and perfect sense, and also, give credit to Justin Wong, he is the overall best player in the US hands down, he's been placing Top 8 in practically all the fighting games he's played in. 3S, MvC2, CvS2, ST to name a few, all of these he's always consistently Top 8 at Evo, so even though he is arguably King in MvC2, he's still one of the best in all the other fighting games he plays in.