Emma can block out current Xavier for at least a few minutes and did it on panel.
She doesn't need to do it for long, half of a minute would be enough for Betsy to KO the cripple physicaly- with TK or in hand-to-hand.
Together it's close to 10\10 in duo's favour. Emma blocks Xavier out, Betsy finishes him off.
Also Emma in diamond form is totally immune against TP- diamond form disperses psychic energy. So she can finish Xavier off by herself in physical battle.
Betsy is just here to make it spite. Xavier is a very powerful telepath but has nothing if his only combat option is nullified.
In form "as is" it's a 10\10 curbstomp.
Originally posted by willRules
Telepathically Xavier outclasses them both as individuals......but together....plus they have the strong physical advantage, the ladies have it IMO 7 or 8/10
It's a 10\10 STOMP, darling. Stomp because there's two of them- Emma can keep current Xavier busy in TP combat (did that in WWH- X-Men) and stalemate current Exodus WHILE neutering his TK and other powers. TP-wise Emma alone is in Xavier's league- lacking big bad feats a bit, but capable on giving a fight.
Classic Psylocke is a bush league to both Emma and Charles, but can KO Xavier physicaly while Emma keeps him busy with TP (she can stalemate\block him for a few minutses, did it on panel and doesn't need to do that too long- a minute is more than enough).
Another variant- Emma turns diamond and beats Xavier physically, since in diamond form he can't do anything to her.
Classic Psylocke is much lower than Emma or Xavier in terms of TP finnesse, so I see Charley curmbstorming her if it were 1-at-1. Emma in the mix makes it spite.
In terms of psychic ability, Emma may be good and all, but she's still not Xavier-level.
When she blocked out Xavier (scan please?), was he directing his full, non-held-back psychic ability against her, or was he trying to do something else completely? Because I've read all of WWH, but I don't recall Emma being able to block out Xavier when he was actually giving her everything he's got.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
In terms of psychic ability, Emma may be good and all, but she's still not Xavier-level.When she blocked out Xavier (scan please?), was he directing his full, non-held-back psychic ability against her, or was he trying to do something else completely? Because I've read all of WWH, but I don't recall Emma being able to block out Xavier when he was actually giving her everything he's got.
I don't say she's able to defeat him outright- just hold him in bay for a minute maybe. And she DID withstood the onslaught of current Exodus and did better then Xavier... Charlie is still her superior. She's yet to have enough big ass feats to be his outright peer.
I'm not Rutog-style biased, and one-to-one in pure TP nobody of ttwo ladies stand a chance.
Well it kind of depends what you consider Xavier Level.
The Shadow King at times and Cassandra Nova would be placed in a tier above Xavier IMO.
Heck even inconsistent Exodus would be considered a tier above Xavier especially after that latest fight in Legacy where he wasn´t trying to kill him(Which was stated throughout both issues) he wanted to coax Charles into becoming the new leader for the Acolytes by forcing him to relive his failures through illusion.
As for the comparison between Emma and Xavier you`re in luck. End of this month is X-Men Legacy 215 and next month is X-Men Legacy 216 where Emma and Xavier are going to get into a psychic cat fight over Scotts mind.
Emma during CC's New Mutants run and was quoted to be an Xavier Level telepath which is what the outcome of both the issues will probably show.
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=9402
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=9815
Anyway here´s the scan you want:
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[b]Muhahahaha 😖hifty: , Note: Xaviers powers are back and he's stronger then ever (See Uncanny X-Men #487)There's more references of Xaviers Power Upgrade in the Endangered Species One-Shot as well.
I think it´s unfair to say that he wasn´t trying as hard when you know he really did not want the X-Men to face the Hulk because of his mistake. Especially when you consider his reaction where Emma had to shove him away from the fight.
In a fight one on one I'd give him the slight advantage but it's only a slight advantage due to having that incredible Psi-Feat in UXM #17.
Anyway Emma vs. Xavier for Scotts mind should clear up this little misconception that Xavier is leagues above her.
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.4486.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_The_Battle_For_Cyclops~apos~_Mind!
The fight should be interesting though as Emma and Xavier get along really well.(See Gen X)
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well it kind of depends what you consider Xavier Level.The Shadow King at times and Cassandra Nova would be placed in a tier above Xavier IMO.
Heck even inconsistent Exodus would be considered a tier above Xavier especially after that latest fight in Legacy where he wasn´t trying to kill him(Which was stated throughout both issues) he wanted to coax Charles into becoming the new leader for the Acolytes by forcing him to relive his failures through illusion.
As for the comparison between Emma and Xavier you`re in luck. End of this month is X-Men Legacy 215 and next month is X-Men Legacy 216 where Emma and Xavier are going to get into a psychic cat fight over Scotts mind.
Emma during CC's New Mutants run and was quoted to be an Xavier Level telepath which is what the outcome of both the issues will probably show.http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=9402
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=9815
Anyway here´s the scan you want:I think it´s unfair to say that he wasn´t trying as hard when you know he really did not want the X-Men to face the Hulk because of his mistake. Especially when you consider his reaction where Emma had to shove him away from the fight.
In a fight one on one I'd give him the slight advantage but it's only a slight advantage due to having that incredible Psi-Feat in UXM #17.
Anyway Emma vs. Xavier for Scotts mind should clear up this little misconception that Xavier is leagues above her.
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.4486.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_The_Battle_For_Cyclops~apos~_Mind!
The fight should be interesting though as Emma and Xavier get along really well.(See Gen X)
Thanks comrade, always knew you would come to help me against those. As for "not standig a chance"- for Psylocke it's true, for Emma- not so (in prolonged battle, maybe).
Emma lacks extraterrestial feats, but there's a plausible base for that established in that otherwise BS X4 crossover- there's impossible (currently) to reach telepathically into space from Earth directly. I'll post the scans if needed.
As for global range feats, Emma has quite a few.
But here, Emma (who has modified the recent model of Cerebra by herself and IS MU's leading expert in that regard- help from non-telepathic Richards in illusion-casting in the end of that BS crossover was an insulting PIS, not to mention PIS-induced fight with Sue- Emma should have won, but if not for that cheapshot, that BS brood thing would have never happened) says that outer space is OUT of her range, so Xavier is still superior in terms of range.
May be PIS if contradictions noted (GS AXM can be that contradiction).
Proof on "Why Xavier can have better range feats than Emma".
Emma's biggest feats are planetary in range (though she has used her TP in outer space just fine) due to the simple reason- magnetosphere of the MU Earth is f*cked up so using TP from Earth into the space nowadays is either impossible or requires God Cable power levels.
Emma has developed her telepathy AFTER the anomaly was established, while Xavier, who's probably older or the same age as Emma's father, has done a few big ass feats even before Emma was born (Emma's around the same age as Iceman from the evidence in her mini-series) when the anomaly wasn't present.
Emma takes that anomaly as given and says that even with her tech it's impossible to overcome the barrier for her- she has grown up with that anomaly...
Note- the anomaly blocks telepathy coming from the Earth into space, but not vise versa.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I don't say she's able to defeat him outright- just hold him in bay for a minute maybe. And she DID withstood the onslaught of current Exodus and did better then Xavier... Charlie is still her superior. She's yet to have enough big ass feats to be his outright peer.I'm not Rutog-style biased, and one-to-one in pure TP nobody of ttwo ladies stand a chance.
Rutog, that's me, gets his facts straight. Just for that, I'm going to punch a hole in your argument. Emma vs. Exodus, both Emma and Exodus were at their full power and health. Xavier vs. Exodus, Xavier was far from his peak in that fight trying to recover from the bullet to his head and all while Exodus was unimpaired. Xavier still beat Exodus.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Rutog, that's me, gets his facts straight. Just for that, I'm going to punch a hole in your argument. Emma vs. Exodus, both Emma and Exodus were at their full power and health. Xavier vs. Exodus, Xavier was far from his peak in that fight trying to recover from the bullet to his head and all while Exodus was unimpaired. Xavier still beat Exodus.
I'm sorry about mentiong you as a 'proverbial name" in regards to your style of claims about Storm, but I'm going to answer.
Emma vs Exodus. Fight to the death- Emma stalemates Exodus WHILE blocking his powers.
Xavier vs Exodus. Exodus doesn't want to kill Xavier- merely to "reform" him, so he doesn't fight him as "serious" as he does to Emma, but to beat Xavier he still uses tremendous amouth of energy. Xavier fails to block Exodus' extra powers.
So far I see Xavier vs Emma as stalemate, not that she's above him in hierarchy.
What Charlotte said, they stated that Exodus did not want to fight or hurt Xavier.Proof was that Exodus could have TK blasted Xavier at anytime in the match. Xavier states that all Exodus is doing is casting illusions. Not to mention that Exodus repaired Xavier's brain seamlessly on a sub atomic level. Link is in the Exodus Respect thread under Sub Atomic TK I'm using a phone so I'd link it to this thread by myself but I can't at the moment.
