Originally posted by Peach
I was also raised Catholic 😛 I realised when I was like...10 that I didn't believe in any of the stuff I was being taught in church and all that. I've got some interesting spiritual leanings though, even though I don't believe in any sort of higher power or any of that.
That's where I do agree with Scythe...many, not all, but many teens did, and probably still do, wish to be part of what they might consider a 'taboo cult' of some sort and hence be cool. So yeah Peach, I'm glad you actually KNEW and UNDERSTOOD yourself at 10.
chillmeistergen
What an appalling thread.The generally accepted use of the word applies to spiritual knowledge, but obviously it can be used in other ways, it then relates to that context, though. There is not one definition for all contexts.
REF: the dilemma of the OP, which I really wish someone would help me with, even with your opinion chillmeistergen
ragesRemorse 😆
And yeah, if I had an abolute answer, I wouldn't be stuck in Pandora's Box.🙂
lord xyz
I hate agnostics.
The Dormouse
Asking me or the 'poster' before you? Sorry, I'm still a little new to the forum,thread and posting protocol.
Jbill311 tangent of course: hate penguins...those BASTARDS 😠 🙂
But if I answer, you'll judge my answer and label me as either agnostic or not, and I don't want to because it doesn't concern me, from a religious standpoint. From a non religious standpoint, your question doesn't make sense from the definition you gave it, "somebody who doubts that a question has one correct answer or that something can be completely understood", if you ask me if a carrot is orange, there is only one answer, so if I say yes you'll say I'm not agnostic since I gave one correct answer. srug
Originally posted by Outbound
But if I answer, you'll judge my answer and label me as either agnostic or not, and I don't want to because it doesn't concern me, from a religious standpoint.
From a non religious standpoint, your question doesn't make sense from the definition you gave it, "somebody who doubts that a question has one correct answer or that something can be completely understood", if you ask me if a carrot is orange, there is only one answer, so if I say yes you'll say I'm not agnostic since I gave one correct answer. srug
I didn't give it that definition. Read the posts if you will. There are a plethora of different definitions from different sources/dictionaries et cetera. The one I quoted is just that, a quote. And the only reason I pose that particular question is because I'm wondering if we CAN commit to one answer, and understand the logic behind it.
Your example of an orange and a carrot obviously stands true!
I'll do my best in a while, to rephrase the OP in a more succinct manner; maybe an analogy as well. I fear that it's misunderstood by some due to my wording.
Originally posted by agphoenix
Other than as a joke, I would NEVER label you as either based on your answer.I didn't give it that definition. Read the posts if you will. There are a plethora of different definitions from different sources/dictionaries et cetera. The one I quoted is just that, a quote. And the only reason I pose that particular question is because I'm wondering if we CAN commit to one answer, and understand the logic behind it.
Your example of an orange and a carrot obviously stands true!
I'll do my best in a while, to rephrase the OP in a more succinct manner; maybe an analogy as well. I fear that it's misunderstood by some due to my wording.
Yeah I get the idea that you're talking about, but the question you posed only has a direct yes/no answer so whatever answer someone gives will be definite and therefore not follow the concept of agnostic - the idea that a belief does not have to have a definite answer - so we are already pre-determined to be 'non agnostic' by your initial post.
Originally posted by Outbound
Yeah I get the idea that you're talking about, but the question you posed only has a direct yes/no answer so whatever answer someone gives will be definite and therefore not follow the concept of agnostic - the idea that a belief does not have to have a definite answer - so we are already pre-determined to be 'non agnostic' by your initial post.
Oh, 2 things:
1. '...whatever answer someone gives will be definite...'
It'll be definite in the sense that it will be one word: either a 'yes' or a 'no'. But the concept is not definite. You could be lying about telling the truth, but you could also be telling the truth about telling the truth. In essence, the person receiving the answer can NEVER know if you're telling the truth, regardless of whether you answer with a 'yes' or a 'no'. To the one question that's asking WHETHER you are lying. I'd be doubting if there's 'one correct answer'.
2. No, I didn't intend to imply that we're pre-determined in the OP.
Darn, I have to get back to recording at the studio on and off here. But I WILL come up with a clearer post in between calls, and today.
Please take my words before this with a pinch of salt. Thank you.
OK. Here goes:
1. I am NOT questioning anyone’s particular belief system/religion, be it Christianity, Hinduism, Atheism or otherwise.
2. I am NOT questioning anyone’s particular belief system/religion based on whether one can commit to a plausible and understandable response to the question in the OP.
3. I AM looking at the possible belief system/religion in reverse, in hindsight.
4. I AM posing the question that if we CANNOT COMMIT and DOUBT that a simple question has ONE correct answer, are we NOT fitting a certain definition.
5. The definition being: ‘somebody who doubts that a question has one correct answer or that something can be completely understood’ is also known as an ‘Agnostic.’
6. Can we now ask ourselves whether we are actually Agnostic, considering we fit at least TWO of the definitions of the word ‘agnostic’?
I know most people think of God, deities and religions when the word agnostic is used. This is probably because it is referred to as such in almost every profile we ever fill out! But I’m looking at the other definitions as well.
Please tell me it’s clearer. Please.👇
Re: AGNOSTIC? Answer the following. You might change your mind!
Originally posted by agphoenix
[b]AGNOSTIC: 'somebody who doubts that a question has one correct answer or that something can be completely understood' ~ Encarta DictionaryAnswer the following, very simple question with only a 'yes' or 'no':
Are you lying?
Bet you won't think there's 'one correct answer' and you sure as Hell will think it's not 'something...[that]...can be completely understood'.
Think you're an Agnostic?! shocking [/B]
kinda like the contradiction of "nuthing is certain". if nuthing is certain than how can the statement "nuthing is certain" be certain
Originally posted by leonheartmm
kinda like the contradiction of "nuthing is certain". if nuthing is certain than how can the statement "nuthing is certain" be certain
Except I've been thinking about this for a long time because when using precisely the given question and basing the inability to answer it with a committed answer, we fall under one definition of being an Agnostic.
I'm glad you're along the lines, because I'm REALLY hoping that this second post clarifies the O.P. a bit. Although it seems the interest in the matter is fizzling away! A shame really, because I think it's a very interesting angle of looking at something which opens up possibilities that many of us didn't think about. I think!