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Originally posted by Utrigita
Exactly his power in the marvel omniverse. Eternity is from my point of view mentioned to clarify that none can know the reasons for why LT does as he does, that would include what he did to the Brothers.

It is speculation to presume that new Realities was LT's doing when Creation is reverberate through him, when he is the Alpha (beginning) and Omega (ending)? I doesn't quiet follow you here Erik, you are correct that it isn't cut into a piece of stone, but I however think that it's quiet clear what LT did.

Yes, it is speculation because although Living Tribunal does have an important role in the Marvel Universe, he didn't actually create everything in it. Seriously, you must see that nothing clear about LT creating either of them was stated and that saying he did is nothing more than speculation ..

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes, it is speculation because although Living Tribunal does have an important role in the Marvel Universe, he didn't actually create everything in it. Seriously, you must see that nothing clear about LT creating either of them was stated and that saying he did is nothing more than speculation ..

I would like to ask you why Creation is reverberate through him if he didn't create anything and why he is mentioned as the Alpha (beginning)?

As mentioned in the previous post, nothing is as you say writting with big fat letters, but I think that comic clearly shows that it was LT that created those new realities who else would it be that created them?

Originally posted by Utrigita
I would like to ask you why Creation is reverberate through him if he didn't create anything and why he is mentioned as the Alpha (beginning)?

As mentioned in the previous post, nothing is as you say writting with big fat letters, but I think that comic clearly shows that it was LT that created those new realities who else would it be?

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. The LT did NOT create those new realities.

Then Please who did?

Originally posted by Utrigita
I would like to ask you why Creation is reverberate through him if he didn't create anything and why he is mentioned as the Alpha (beginning)?

As mentioned in the previous post, nothing is as you say writting with big fat letters, but I think that comic clearly shows that it was LT that created those new realities who else would it be?

It obviously 'explains' his role, of judging everything from the beginning of creation (Alpha) to the end of creation (Omega). Why, what do you think it means exactly ? That he created everything in the Marvel Universe ? Elaborate 🙂

No, it really doesn't show or state anything about Living Tribunal creating the Megaverses.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Then Please who did?

Originally posted by Utrigita
I would like to ask you why Creation is reverberate through him if he didn't create anything and why he is mentioned as the Alpha (beginning)?

As mentioned in the previous post, nothing is as you say writting with big fat letters, but I think that comic clearly shows that it was LT that created those new realities who else would it be?

Where you're going wrong is that you''re making assumptions based on vague comments and taking these as fact.

LT isnt stated to be the creator of reality. I could see why you would have that opinion based on what is said, but nothing conclusive is stated or depicted. It doesnt state, that LT creates everything. What is stated is that creation reverberates through him. That could just mean he's one with it. He's in touch with it.

It states that he's the Alpha and Omega. The beginning and End. For all we know that could mean he directs and co-ordinates the cycle according to this writers interpretation. Its all open to interpretation. So whilst i understand your viewpoint, there's nothing concrete given that verifies it as fact. 😬

Originally posted by fangirl101
The One above all also known as Kirby Avatar and His colaborator.

I'm very interested in where you draw that conclusion from, considering that the Comic concerns LT and the Brothers.

Originally posted by Philosophía
It obviously 'explains' his role, of judging everything from the beginning of creation (Alpha) to the end of creation (Omega). Why, what do you think it means exactly ? That he created everything in the Marvel Universe ? Elaborate 🙂

No, it really doesn't show or state anything about Living Tribunal creating the Megaverses.

Gladly, He is there at it's beginning and is there at it's ending, however you didn't answer my question.

I would like to ask you why Creation is reverberate

As said it isn't cut in stone, but again you have Creation reverberate through LT and mentioning of new realities. It's perhaps a bit too loose from your perspective and that is fine by me 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
I'm very interested in where you draw that conclusion from, considering that the Comic concerns LT and the Brothers.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where you're going wrong is that you''re making assumptions based on vague comments and taking these as fact.

LT isnt stated to be the creator of reality. I could see why you would have that opinion based on what is said, but nothing conclusive is stated or depicted. It doesnt state, that LT creates everything. What is stated is that creation reverberates through him. That could just mean he's one with it. He's in touch with it.

It states that he's the Alpha and Omega. The beginning and End. For all we know that could mean he directs and co-ordinates the cycle according to this writers interpretation. Its all open to interpretation. So whilst i understand your viewpoint, there's nothing concrete given that verifies it as fact. 😬

Okay.

Did I say that he was? I don't recall... Ore it could mean that a prolonged effect.

I have conceded to that on the last page I believe ore was it this one... Not sure, however all I'm arguing for now is my interpretation of the comic, as I said to Erik (which I still like to call) Him he is absolutely right nothing is solid, I just think that based on what was presented in that comic concerning the Brothers I find it entirely logical that it was the LT that was the "Builder" of those new realities.

Originally posted by fangirl101
In the fantastic four, it was shown who the creator was.

Of the new realities that is mentioned in the current discussed Comic? I must admit that I frankly don't recall...

Originally posted by Utrigita
As said it isn't cut in stone, but again you have Creation reverberate through LT and mentioning of new realities.

I interpret the statement "The pulse of creation reverberates throughout him, for he is its heart" as a metaphor for him being the Marvel Universe's judge, like GS said, him being 'in touch' with creation, judging what is allowed and what is not.
Anyway, that is your point of view, and I respect it, you have reasons to form that opinion, but the point is, it isn't fact, and can't really be used in debates as a feat for Living Tribunal.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Of the new realities that is mentioned in the current discussed Comic? I must admit that I frankly don't recall...

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay.

Did I say that he was? I don't recall... Ore it could mean that a prolonged effect.

I have conceded to that on the last page I believe ore was it this one... Not sure, however all I'm arguing for now is my interpretation of the comic, as I said to Erik (which I still like to call) Him he is absolutely right nothing is solid, I just think that based on what was presented in that comic concerning the Brothers I find it entirely logical that it was the LT that was the "Builder" of those new realities.

And its fine to come to your own conclusions on such ambiguous scenes however you just have to understand that you cant argue such a point as fact when concrete facts aren't established within the scene itself. Believe what you want personally, but when it comes to these debates, you can only go by the facts.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I interpret the statement "The pulse of creation reverberates throughout him, for he is its heart as a metaphor for him being the Marvel Universe's judge, like GS said, him being 'in touch' with creation, judging what is allowed and what is not.
Anyway, that is your point of view, and I respect it, you have reasons to form that opinion, but the point is, it isn't fact, and can't really be used in debates as a feat for Living Tribunal.

I interpret it differently then you, apparently. I first see the hole judge thing being brought into play in this scan which also go find with Alpha and Omega
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/BrothersFightGalaxies.jpg
this scan however
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/BrothersArhitectsNewRealities.jpg
I interpret him being the heart as the heart that pumps new energy out into the body, also again he spins the wheel of Alpha and Omega the beginning of something (goes find with creation) and the ending of something.

But it can be used as a feat for Lucifer and Michael that they have created universes and multiverses when the to my knowlegde has max created one multiverse?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Of all realities. The LT is Never shown creating anything even in this discussion. EVER.

Was that stated in the comic with TOAA that he created all realities including the new ones mentioned here? I don't recall Fangirl.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And its fine to come to your own conclusions on such ambiguous scenes however you just have to understand that you cant argue such a point as fact when concrete facts aren't established within the scene itself. Believe what you want personally, but when it comes to these debates, you can only go by the facts.

I would hypotice that the three of you cannot exactly disprove it either since, it appears that it lays on the interpretation of Creation.

I don't quiet see why I cannot mention it if I'm capable of argumenting for my point of view, then I don't see the problem, since when we boil this forum down it all concerns oure own point of view.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Was that stated in the comic with TOAA that he created all realities including the new ones mentioned here? I don't recall Fangirl.

The new realities talked of in that scene weren't stated to be creations of LT. That contradicts LTs established role within Marvel. On top of that the comic said the Brothers roles as architects of these new realities were pre-destined. These realities could have just formed naturally and LT having foreseen their creation, appointed the Brothers to shape them.

See what i mean about interpretation?

Your point isnt stated on panel. There is nothing conclusive so leave it at that.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I would hypotice that the three of you cannot exactly disprove it either since, it appears that it lays on the interpretation of Creation.

I don't quiet see why I cannot mention it if I'm capable of argumenting for my point of view, then I don't see the problem, since when we boil this forum down it all concerns oure own point of view.

You can mention it. You can say this appears to be the case, but unless you have anything conclusively verifying your viewpoint, or you have scenes in other comics establishing your point as something the character is known for, then arguing your point as the truth is a pointless exercise.

Alot of what we argue here is our own viewpoints. However the ones who win out in the end are those whose viewpoints are strongly based on comic book fact as opposed to assumptions and guesswork.