True, the same could be said about Punisher, but I think that Grayson simply has beaten more and better oppenents than Punisher has. Nightwing deals and has dealt with more superpowered oppenents than Punisher has, and considering his feats and showings against said oppenents, someone like Frank is just going to be hard pressed to beat Nightwing.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
True, the same could be said about Punisher, but I think that Grayson simply has beaten more and better oppenents than Punisher has. Nightwing deals and has dealt with more superpowered oppenents than Punisher has, and considering his feats and showings against said oppenents, someone like Frank is just going to be hard pressed to beat Nightwing.
I might be inclined to agree, as soon as someone names me a super powered opponent that NW has handled that Frank couldn't. PISless i might add, i dont wanna hear NW handled [insert name here] because he had some magic anti [insert name here] spray.
On a standard random encounter, who could NW take that Frank couldn't? Who is an enemy that stretches NW limits and NW just about takes for 5.1/10. Now put Frank up against that same enemy how would he do. Random Encounter bare in mind.
Originally posted by Mindset
No, it's not relative.NW has taken on people better than Punisher, stronger than Punisher,
Heres what I meant. Some opponents maybe stronger than Frank but may lack Franks speed and skill. Some characters may have energy manipulation powers but maybe too slow. US Agent is more 'powerful' than Captain America but would lose to him. Powerful is not neccesarily more dangerous.
Originally posted by Mindset
and smarter than Punisher.
Examples please.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Nightwing has dodged heat vision and Dr. Lights blasts Frank doesn't compare to that in the slightest.
Im not sure what your point is but im assuming you're refering to that weakened Amazo. Amazo was obvously depowered down to street level so that dont neccsarily mean a damn thing.
Dr Light may fire light but if hes not very accurate hes not as dangerous as a skilled person with a gun.
Originally posted by Enyalus
See? That's Dick in a Grifter-suit.
Who are they and why are they as accurate as Frank?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Nightwing deals and has dealt with more superpowered oppenents than Punisher has, and considering his feats and showings against said oppenents, someone like Frank is just going to be hard pressed to beat Nightwing.
Frank has fought loads of superhumans even when he was concentrating on gangsters he frequently ran into them and has had special appearances etc. Also the current and the last series has him focusing on superhumans. Also there was a series from 95-96 which had him fighting superhumans galore.
Hell Punisher started off as a Spiderman villain. I dont think theres a big enough difference. At any rate he has loads of showings that indicate he can handle them.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Nightwing has dodged heat vision and Dr. Lights blasts Frank doesn't compare to that in the slightest.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIm not sure what your point is but im assuming you're refering to that weakened Amazo. Amazo was obvously depowered down to street level so that dont neccsarily mean a damn thing.
Dr Light may fire light but if hes not very accurate hes not as dangerous as a skilled person with a gun.
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Who are they and why are they as accurate as Frank?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
WHY IS THE SECOND SCAN IN GERMAN
Nothing against Frank, but NW has consistantly held his own with and out right defeated people who are beyond Castle.
please don't forget that Frank has stalemated and defeated DD (someone I consider better than Batman barring BatPIS). He stalemated him in a straightup fight and this time Frank (keywords) was not holding back. everytime DD and Frank fought, Frank was holding back because he didn't want to hurt DD since for all his gay red tight wearing selfrighteousness, Frank considered him a good guy. notice also that the fight that Frank won, he won while still holding back.
oh and you are also ignoring Frank's durability and his resourcefulness. the man confronted Sentry and lived to tell the tale without an pis involved.
pertaining to gunfights and accuracy: Frank had Captain America himself and even Cap admitted that he could've shot him if he had wanted to. so has spidey.
