Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
So if Kuja used Ultima on Seph, it would not hurt him?
How can Ultima get through if even Holy couldn't? Sephiroths TK works on a thought, Holy, the antithesis of Meteor could've destroyed everything on the planet, Sephiroth stopped that, Kuja's Ultima destroyed buildings, and would get stopped before he even fired his first shot.
After that, he'd either get blitzed by Sephiroth, killed by the NL, or however Sephiroth chooses to kill him, keep in mind Sephiroth is tons faster then Kuja.
Originally posted by Terryc250Ultima destroy a planet, Holy was said to be able to destroy anything on one. And Seph did not use TK to stop Holy.
How can Ultima get through if even Holy couldn't? Sephiroths TK works on a thought, Holy, the antithesis of Meteor could've destroyed everything on the planet, Sephiroth stopped that, Kuja's Ultima destroyed buildings, and would get stopped before he even fired his first shot.After that, he'd either get blitzed by Sephiroth, killed by the NL, or however Sephiroth chooses to kill him, keep in mind Sephiroth is tons faster then Kuja.
Originally posted by Terryc250Surfaceless planet? A few floating buildings do not equal a planet jack.
Ultima destroyed buildings of a surfaceless planet, he didn't "blow up" a planet, and Sephiroth did, it was stated his will stopped Holy, willpower/TK same thing. And it didn't say "anything" its "[b]everything" [/B]
Will doesn't equal TK, don't know where you got that shit.
Show me when it said everything.
Also, wasn't it like...Bugenhagen that said it?
Alright, he stopped it with his willpower, Sephiroths willpower can stop physical things, he's stopping things with his mind, either word used, it doesn't matter.
Holy was stated to be the only thing to stop Meteor, the antithesis of Meteor, its atleast as powerful as that, Meteor was capable of ruining the entire planet, Bugenhagen said once Holy is released it could be the end of everything, Meteor, WEAPONs, , everything will dissapear, possibly even ourselves. I don't know where you got "anything" from. If Holy judged everything on the planet evil, everything will be gone.
Yes Bugenhagen said it, he's like the Guru of FF7
Originally posted by Terryc250Willpower is not TK though.
Alright, he stopped it with his willpower, Sephiroths willpower can stop physical things, he's stopping things with his mind, either word used, it doesn't matter.Holy was stated to be the only thing to stop Meteor, the antithesis of Meteor, its atleast as powerful as that, Meteor was capable of ruining the entire planet, Bugenhagen said once Holy is released it could be the end of everything, Meteor, WEAPONs, , [b]everything
will dissapear, possibly even ourselves. I don't know where you got "anything" from.Yes Bugenhagen said it, he's like the Guru of FF7 [/B]
Meteor was capable of wounding the planet badly. Not annihilating it.
Bugenhagen is a fallible third party character. His word is not law.
He said it COULD be the end of everything, and his choice of words imply it would not be instantly.
Bugenhagen is a fallible third party character, his words were based on studies, not practice or experimentation, there is no way he could KNOW that.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Willpower is not TK though.Meteor was capable of wounding the planet badly. Not annihilating it.
Bugenhagen is a fallible third party character. His word is not law.
He said it COULD be the end of everything, and his choice of words imply it would not be instantly.
Bugenhagen is a fallible third party character, his words were based on studies, not practice or experimentation, there is no way he could KNOW that.
Works the same way
That wound would badly ruin the planet, if i recall correctly it was even stated that there would be a very small % of the population left after Meteor struck
The entire reason Bugenhagen was put in FF7, was so that he can explain to the players how the planet worked, Holy, the Cetra, the Lifestream, they're not going to put a random character in there and have him lie for no reason, thats stupid.
Thats why it left for openings for the player to choose what happened in the ending, people made they're own judgements on if Holy let the planet survive or if it eradicated everyone when it showed 500 years later and it showed midgar all dead with plants growing all over it (this was before AC came out)
Originally posted by Terryc250
Ultima destroyed buildings of a surfaceless planet, he didn't "blow up" a planet, and Sephiroth did, it was stated his will stopped Holy, willpower/TK same thing. And it didn't say "anything" its "[b]everything" [/B]
The game and many people in it said Kuja destroyed Terra. Because like you said: they're not going to put a random character in there and have him lie for no reason, thats stupid. and yet characters in FFIX have said Kuja destroyed Terra.
Game > You
And Sephiroth's TK or Will or whatever you feel like calling it was so great that he couldn't stop Omnislash...TWICE
for the LAST time, kuja's ultima destroyed the ENTIRE planet with reletive ease. its stated in game, it can be seen after the cutscene, the party escapes terra through a dimensional rift, afterwards, NUTHING of terra remains, the planet is gone, garland is gone, the cycle of souls turning red and going to terra from gaea{all life force} is GONE!
not only that, ukuja also destroyed the crystal of creation with his power. and set up the multitudes of bosses including deathguise in memoria.
meteor would have WOUNDED the planet, nto destroyed it. that was the point, to wound life so the lifestream came guching out. and even though its been a LONG while since i played 7, but wasnt aerith's death half responsible for weakening holy?
with that said, kuja is quite easily stronger than sephiroth and would kill him.