For the saber battle, Vader is not slow! Read Purge, http://www.swtimeline.ru/?view=896&size=M&page=112 and that is only Vader RIGHT AFTER he got his suit. Vader only seems slow because of the old movies. If you read any novel or comic book, they go to great lengths to show that Vader is not slow at all! So he still has the full advantage over Dooku that he had in ROTS, plus much greater strength.
hes not slow.. and hed definetely beat the crap out of the vast majority of jedis/siths just in a saber battle.. but as per Lucas's statements he did lose a lot of potential in the suit, and a lot of mobility.. so hes still good, but no where near as good as he was.
So no, he doesnt have the same advantages he had over Dooku in ROTS. He is however much better with the Force. In ROTS Dooku was still better than Anakin in that regard.. however OT Vader is easily a match for Dooku in this regard now.. in fact most people seem to agree that he probably beats him in this area, despite being weak to Force Lightning.
hmm
1. i think dooku may take this one as he has great speed and although beaten by vaders strengh, could out manouver him
2. event though vader lost much mobility in his suit, his force powers have gotten much better as Darth Power said dookus lighting can be blocked with a lightsaber.
even though vader is weak to lightning hence the suit he could just block it with pure force and force dooku into the dephts of trayus core
3.cant be bothered to write this 😄
(opinions people OPINIONS!)
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Dooku has quicker reflexes, faster blade-work, and superior technical skill/finesse; the advantages that let Anakin beat Dooku are no longer in place; Dooku is simply quicker than Vader, unlike Anakin, who cornered Dooku with his physical strength and speed to boot. I would say that Dooku certainly has the saber battle.
It won't be ownage though.
Dooku's style requires those quick reflex's with momentum to parry his opponents attack but however i am sure dooku cannot clash with vaders saber head to head due to vaders incredible strength.
For either to win in this category, it once again depends on what they do during the duel.
Originally posted by Jbill311
Dooku was toying with Kenobi. He taunts him about his skills after each hit, and I got the impression that had he wanted to take Kenobi's arm, he could have.
No, he taunts him about his saber skills before Kenobi's hit. If he had wanted to take an arm the first time, how come Dooku stands over Kenobi with his saber raised, ready to kill him before Anakin jumps back in? 😛
Originally posted by Enyalus
Dooku hit Obi-Wan twice in AOTC and wasn't able to cripple him. Compare that with Vader who took a full force blow on the shoulder from Luke and proceeded to cut Luke's hand off in retaliation....Yeah. Dooku isn't winning the saber battle.
I actually had to read that first part twice, because at first I thought you were joking. But then I realised you're just mentally handicapped.
It was blatantly obvious that Dooku did not want to kill, or even severely injure Obi-Wan, when he did this. If I recall, only 20 minutes beforehand Dooku was offering Kenobi a chance to become his apprentice, so that together "[they] will destroy the sith!" I also urge you to rewatch the scene. Right before the Count disables Obi-Wan he has a look of pure arrogance and glee. He knows he is about to win.
In summary, the fact Dooku didn't completely severe Obi-Wan's arm and leg speaks volume for his accuracy and finesse.
As for the thread; Dooku wins all three.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
I actually had to read that first part twice, because at first I thought you were joking. But then I realised you're just mentally handicapped.It was blatantly obvious that Dooku did not want to kill, or even severely injure Obi-Wan, when he did this.
But a second later, when Obi-Wan is on the ground, Dooku does? Yeah. Because that makes total sense.
Originally posted by Enyalus
But a second later, when Obi-Wan is on the ground, Dooku does? Yeah. Because that makes total sense.
How about you actually read what I said:
Originally posted by Rampant ox
It was blatantly obvious that Dooku did not want to kill, or even severely injure Obi-Wan, when he did this.
Bolded for effect. When Dooku did the particular manoeuvre which disabled Kenobi, he was not trying to completely severe his arm and leg. As one of the most arrogant characters in the Star Wars mythos, I would imagine he wanted to highlight his duelling prowess to Kenobi before he went in for the kill.
I've yet to see it. In terms of appearance, from what I've seen in previews and the like, he looks very mediocre. His face and beard seem rather long and pointed, and lack Mr Lee's chiseled good looks.
On the plus though, Mr Lee is providing the voice again - so on that front I have absolutely no worries.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
It won't be ownage though.Dooku's style requires those quick reflex's with momentum to parry his opponents attack but however i am sure dooku cannot clash with vaders saber head to head due to vaders incredible strength.
For either to win in this category, it once again depends on what they do during the duel.
Yeah, I always thought Vader was a ridiculously underestimated saber combatant, with the common "OMG HE'S T00 SL@W!!!" argument coming everywhere. Still, Dooku's bladework IS too fast and percise for Vader- I doubt it will be a curbstomp, but Dooku should take a safe 7 or 8/10.
Dooku is finesse and efficiency; Vader is strength and power. But Darth Vader, in Street of Shadows (the new Coruscant Nights book) is able to evade the unimaginably lithe and agile assassin Aurra Sing when she, in a fit of rage, attacks Vader. The omniscient narrator goes on to detail that he is toying with her, never attacking, and keeps his lightsaber at his belt. He dodges and evades her attacks and lightly taps her instead of beating the hell out of her, demonstrating the fact that he could immobilize her at any given time. Moreover, after a while, Vader evades her and uses a casual surge of telekinetic energy to throw her to the floor and keep her there.
It says that the guards out in the hall way are nearly thrown off their feat, even though the concussion wasn't directed near them at all. Also in that book, he uses the Force to summon one of Sing's lightsabers to him, grips it, and overloads the blade through sheer will, leaving it a useless metal hilt. Sing is in awe.
Yeah, Vader's badass.