Originally posted by chillmeistergen
So why mention it, then? It's like coming into the thread and posting "sometimes, some people break laws".
you did ask how drinking can hurt others...
my brother is a heavy drinker, and i think if he hadnt started so young maybe he wouldn't be such a drunken messed up ****head as he is, and i just know one of these days hes gonna kill himself or get someone else killed, hes had enough drunken car accidents....
Originally posted by ~Forever*Alone~
you did ask how drinking can hurt others...my brother is a heavy drinker, and i think if he hadnt started so young maybe he wouldn't be such a drunken messed up ****head as he is, and i just know one of these days hes gonna kill himself or get someone else killed, hes had enough drunken car accidents....
I don't think you understand why I asked that.
Oh, how I love it when someone brings up some purely anecdotal rubbish as evidence. Your brother sounds like an idiot.
driving drunk can and nowadays usually suck...roads r more populated than in our day..nowadays kids and people r led to believe drivers must get out of their way...in my day and my fathers days pedestrians knew to get the f**k out of the way of cars...you jump for the curb!!!nowadays if you live thru it you can sue...lol...to many cars on the roads to drive drunk...b4 u only hurt yourself or the neighbor farmers fence..now u might run over a skater punk kid or a gangbanger who is suicidal due to bad meds or a poor child whos parents dont pay enuff attention to know there kids are in the street etc...ouch is all i can say..lol...(not really a laughing matter)and by the way I dont drive...she drives if I drink..lol..anyways blah blah
I agree with Chill. However, the mistakes and actions of the few restrict the privileges of the many. Is it possible, though, that after a while, the "ZOMG! I CAN DRINK!" craze would die down and idiots would stop drinking. They couldn't "be cool" and "be a rebel" by doing something that was perfectly legal. Being naughty makes it exciting. There's probably a culture out there somewhere that does not restrict drinking by age...surely their youth aren't aren't massive binge drinkers.
The way it is, marijuana should be legalized and alcohol should be illegalized.
Have you ever heard of someone dying from smoking too much Black Gold? (Compare to death by alcohol poisoning a la binge drinking.) Have you ever heard of a White Widow(Insert some potent strand of marijuana here.) driving accident? (Compare to drunken driving accident.) Have you ever heard of an Aunt Mary rage? (Compare to a drunken rage.)
And while I'm on it, how many people have died from steroid use? (If you can name one, you're probably another idiot who fell for the anti-steroid propaganda.)
Even in absurd amounts, both MJ and steroids are much safer than alcohol. Yet, both are basically illegal. You've got idjits injecting well over 4000ml of combined anabolics and red eyed momos lighting up every 3 hours. They seem to be fine. (Minus the ***** t*ts and poor grades...and various other things.)
America has shit backwards. "The War on Steroids" and "The War on Drugs"(as it pertains to marijuana) are bullshit. If we really wanted to "protect our children", alcohol would be illegal.
I believe inimalist put it best in another thread when he talked about the subjectivity of drug seriousness.
As for the whole alcohol kills more people argument, I think people get carried away with it. Whether you can die from a substance or not shouldn't matter, it should be up to you to make the decision to take such risks, not up to a nanny state that considers it their business what you inhale, inject or drink.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/aug/27/foodanddrink.france
anyways, more regulation will promote more drinking
as long as drinking is a sign of maturity, youth will do it
Originally posted by inimalist
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/aug/27/foodanddrink.franceanyways, more regulation will promote more drinking
Not to mention more crime.
Originally posted by dadudemon
There's probably a culture out there somewhere that does not restrict drinking by age...surely their youth aren't aren't massive binge drinkers.
binge drinking has been on the increase in France, who had such a culture. However, this is also rising in response to more legislation and control on where kids can drink
however, I can think of many other reasons why youth in modern western societies would want to drink. The article I posted in my previous response talks about the globalizing of behaviour and of more demand on youth. However, I might add that the modern world offers no challenge or purpose for those who are not yet fully adult, and coddles them far too much. A substance that affirms maturity and autonomy then might be very powerful.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The way it is, marijuana should be legalized and alcohol should be illegalized.
regardless of the logic, that argument fails for simply pragmatic reasons. lest you think Al Capone is a more preferable business man than, say, Molson or Crown Royal.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Have you ever heard of someone dying from smoking too much Black Gold? (Compare to death by alcohol poisoning a la binge drinking.)
1) no culture in human history has consumed as much marijuana as western society, generally starting mid century.
2) The marijuana grown, especially since the 70s, is on the magnitude of hundreds of times more potent than anything seen prior
3) long term medical studies are unavailable to properly untangle potential risks of marijuana
4) there are hundreds of potentially cancerous chemicals in pot smoke. much less in eaten or vaporized bud (as most are a property of the smoke itself).
5) individual people are affected by drugs in different ways, and "pot-death" is not something doctors and coronors look for at time of death. Much like how all smokers who get cancer have it attributed to their cigarettes, death from prolonged pot use might never be reported properly
6) there are plenty of negative consequences to smoking pot. Many that alcohol does not share, like schitzo type symptoms and anxiety problems.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Have you ever heard of a White Widow(Insert some potent strand of marijuana here.) driving accident?(Compare to drunken driving accident.)
what, are you kidding? You are suggesting that people who are high are not at more risk of a traffic accident than someone driving sober?
nobody would argue that pot, because of the types of affects it has on you (attentional vs motor control), is more dangerous than driving drunk. Most studies point to it being on the magnitude of cell phone conversation
Originally posted by dadudemon
Have you ever heard of an Aunt Mary rage? (Compare to a drunken rage.)
pot affects people in many ways. I've had personal experiences with people who probably wished all it did to them was make them angry
Originally posted by dadudemon
And while I'm on it, how many people have died from steroid use? (If you can name one, you're probably another idiot who fell for the anti-steroid propaganda.)
doesn't this strike you as moot, given you just mentioned "rage"?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Even in absurd amounts, both MJ and steroids are much safer than alcohol. Yet, both are basically illegal. You've got idjits injecting well over 4000ml of combined anabolics and red eyed momos lighting up every 3 hours. They seem to be fine. (Minus the ***** t*ts and poor grades...and various other things.)
subjective analysis
Originally posted by dadudemon
America has shit backwards. "The War on Steroids" and "The War on Drugs"(as it pertains to marijuana) are bullshit. If we really wanted to "protect our children", alcohol would be illegal.
children were safer during alcohol prohibition?
oh wait, prohibition raises drug use.