Dream Meanings

Originally posted by Jack Daniels
dude you did to much lsd...lol...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Do you have a citation for that? It gives me some great "psychic-steganography" plot ideas and I'd love a way to justify the concept.

That aside, I'm intrigued by what you may have in mind.

Besides, we have some KMC members much more versed in biology and brain functioning than I am. Maybe they can elucidate the serotonin relationship better (or discount it, if I'm remembering this incorrectly).

Originally posted by Mindship
Besides, we have some KMC members much more versed in biology and brain functioning than I am. Maybe they can elucidate the serotonin relationship better (or discount it, if I'm remembering this incorrectly).

stuff from the 60s-70s seems to confirm what you are saying about LSD and serotonin (dopamine also)

LSD research stopped then. THEY wont let you do it anymore. and there are lots of ethical issues.

However, I'm not sure about the dream stuff.

LSD certainly effects Serotonin receptors. The mechanism behind this creating hallucinations however is unknown.

Originally posted by Mindship
This is going back a number of years. The textbooks and notes I had have long since been discarded. But I do remember this pretty clearly, because after a whole year of psychopharm with legal substances, the whole class lit up with the last chapter involving controlled substances. Off-hand, I'd say a little google research with key words serotonin, dreaming, inhibitor neurons, lsd/hallucinagins should get you the info you're looking for.

That aside, I'm intrigued by what you may have in mind.

There's a folkloric tradition against sending matter through time but it rarely applies to information (especially in the form of dreams). I have a plot in progress that involves a magitech/arthurian world and a number of other factors. Hiding a message in waking dreams like a steganographic picture in a picture is a nice way to hide information for virtually any culture.

Found something:
http://books.google.com/books?id=xbe_hbj-GRwC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=inhibitory+neurons,+waking+dreams,+lsd,+serotonin&source=web&ots=_qWuugLbgc&sig=HDpvRNXrUhCocglsw83IGqm0cos&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA77,M1
Paraphrased- serotonin inhibits dreaming, LSD inhibits serotonin leading to hallucinations -- in effect, waking dreams.

It would take a bit of rubber science (or just out right "they used magic"😉 to justify but it has some basis.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There's a folkloric tradition against sending matter through time but it rarely applies to information (especially in the form of dreams). I have a plot in progress that involves a magitech/arthurian world and a number of other factors. Hiding a message in waking dreams like a steganographic picture in a picture is a nice way to hide information for virtually any culture.

Originally posted by King Kandy
LSD certainly effects Serotonin receptors. The mechanism behind this creating hallucinations however is unknown.

just found a 50+ page article that talks about this stuff

Nichols D. (2004) Hallucinogens. Pharmacology & Theraputics, 101, 131-181.

Generally, it is saying thalamocortical (from the thalamus to the neo-cortex) seretonin release drives the hallucinations. I'm not sure if that means much to you, doesn't really to me lol, but I haven't had a chance to go through it.

I would totally suggest against focus on hallucinations though, as I've done lots of acid and do not hallucinate in the way people normally conceptualize it (like, walls melting or things walking around). This may also be related to a) depression or b) the fact I don't dream

the mechanisms behind dreams, however, are REALLY unknown

EDIT: pubmed link
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14761703?ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

EDIT 2: another good link
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17270739?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=3&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed

Well of course, it seems that heavy hallucinations are mainly a newbie phenomenon and that generally the trips get substantially more introspective after some experience is gained. I believe there was some study that showed LSD was less effective on those with depression. I know that it does have a lessened effect on those taking antidepressants, at least.

Originally posted by King Kandy
...and that generally the trips get substantially more introspective after some experience is gained.

I know one thing I liked drinkin grolsh and oj during those 8-12 hour periods..lol...and umm I never did that stuff u guys r talkin about..ahem jus for the record..lol..oh and dont let anyone hold up a geiger painting and tell you how evil it is over and over all night long...lol.. you will have a bad trip

Originally posted by Mindship
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I used to keep a dream journal at one time.

So far I can't dream anymore. Oh well, was cool while it lasted.