Originally posted by GideonWould you be able to make an assessment for vader as well?
Resurrecting this thread for a small announcement.I started working on my comprehensive essay of Palpatine's career in the dark side today. It's currently six pages, single spaced, and three thousand words. I don't know how long it will be when I'm finished (I'm not even close to being done), since I'm going off on little tangents to offer explanations for various dark side cults related to Palpatine.
Since this thread inspired it, I figured I'd post it here.
I do have some of the important quotes that depict his beastly command of the force(thanks to fan skywalker) but my sources are incomplete and presumed that you would have greater access to the sources and thus more capable of building a case for vader.
LUKE SKYWALKER
Force Feats:
1. Holds a mini-rocket inside of a YVH droid until it explodes instead of firing. Fury Pg. 322 40 ABY
2. Toppled and pinned a YVH droid to the floor with the force while he destroys it with his lightsaber. Fury Pg. 322 40 ABY
3. Picked up a YVH droid and hurled it into the viewport of the command deck on the Anakin Solo, shattering the viewport. Fury, Pg. 322 40 ABY
Combat Feats:
1. Luke successfully defends himself against the sparring attacks of both Cilghal and Kyp Durron. Disarms Cilghal.
Fury, pg. 38 40 ABY
2. Outflew Caedus in a fighter to the point that the anger Caedus felt was
"an undercurrent of frustration, helplessness, even fear.... It was like a man in his last seconds of life, recognizing the fact."
Luke constantly caused damage to Caedus's Stealth-X during the firefight, and just as he(Luke) decided to finish the fight, he sensed Allana, and broke off the engagement.
Fury, Pg. 177-179, ABY 40
LUKE SKYWALKER
Force Feats:
1. Holds a mini-rocket inside of a YVH droid until it explodes instead of firing. Fury Pg. 322 40 ABY
2. Toppled and pinned a YVH droid to the floor with the force while he destroys it with his lightsaber. Fury Pg. 322 40 ABY
3. Picked up a YVH droid and hurled it into the viewport of the command deck on the Anakin Solo, shattering the viewport. Fury, Pg. 322 40 ABY
4. Created a force bubble that shielded him from a shuttle-disassembling force attack. The Swarm War Pg. 333 36 ABY
5. Force-batted shattergun pellets into a wall. The Swarm War Pg. 339 36 ABY
6."Rooted himself in the heart of the Force, and when he did that, he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him-not one of Lando's asteroid tuggers, not the Megador's sixteen ion engines, not the black hole at the center of the galaxy itself." Raynar despite drawing on the force potential of the Colony could not move him one centimeter. The Swarm War Pg. 341 36 ABY
7. Pinned Raynar against a wall. The Swarm War Pg. 341 36 ABY
Combat Feats:
1. Luke successfully defends himself against the sparring attacks of both Cilghal and Kyp Durron. Disarms Cilghal.
Fury, pg. 38 40 ABY
2. Outflew Caedus in a fighter to the point that the anger Caedus felt was
"an undercurrent of frustration, helplessness, even fear.... It was like a man in his last seconds of life, recognizing the fact."
Luke constantly caused damage to Caedus's Stealth-X during the firefight, and just as he(Luke) decided to finish the fight, he sensed Allana, and broke off the engagement.
Fury, Pg. 177-179, ABY 40
3. Luke could fight "as well as anyone in the academy" with his weak hand. The Swarm War Pg. 345 36 ABY
4. Cleaved Lomi Plo into four pieces by "simply" stepping into her attack and flicking his wrist twice. The Swarm War Pg. 348 36 ABY
LUKE SKYWALKER
Force Feats:
1. Holds a mini-rocket inside of a YVH droid until it explodes instead of firing. Fury Pg. 322 40 ABY
2. Toppled and pinned a YVH droid to the floor with the force while he destroys it with his lightsaber. Fury Pg. 322 40 ABY
3. Picked up a YVH droid and hurled it into the viewport of the command deck on the Anakin Solo, shattering the viewport. Fury, Pg. 322 40 ABY
4. Created a force bubble that shielded him from a shuttle-disassembling force attack. The Swarm War Pg. 333 36 ABY
5. Force-batted shattergun pellets into a wall. The Swarm War Pg. 339 36 ABY
6."Rooted himself in the heart of the Force, and when he did that, he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him-not one of Lando's asteroid tuggers, not the Megador's sixteen ion engines, not the black hole at the center of the galaxy itself." Raynar despite drawing on the force potential of the Colony could not move him one centimeter. The Swarm War Pg. 341 36 ABY
7. Pinned Raynar against a wall. The Swarm War Pg. 341 36 ABY
8. Influenced Caedus's Battle Meditation so that Jacen committed the 4th fleet to a fight he could not win without the help of the Jedi.
Inferno, Pg. 106 ABY 40
9.Appeared on the Anakin Solo, then disappeared again,without explanation, despite being in his Stealth X.the entire time.
Inferno, Pg. 105-109 ABY 40
10.Picked Caedus up, hurled him 5 meters into his chair, and held him there, unable to move a finger for the duration of a conversation, Luke showed no visible effort to perform the feat.
Also destroyed Jacen's meditation chair by collapsing the pedastal.
Inferno, Pg. 134-138 ABY 40
11.
Manages to hide himself in the force so completely that all force users in the system, including Caedus, Jaina, and Leia, all believe he is dead.
Controls who can feel his presence in the force: "Ben was the only one whom his dad was allowing to sense him through the force. Not even Jacen had that kind of control." Inferno, Pg. 254, ABY 40
Combat Feats:
1. Luke successfully defends himself against the sparring attacks of both Cilghal and Kyp Durron. Disarms Cilghal.
Fury, pg. 38 40 ABY
2. Outflew Caedus in a fighter to the point that the anger Caedus felt was
"an undercurrent of frustration, helplessness, even fear.... It was like a man in his last seconds of life, recognizing the fact."
Luke constantly caused damage to Caedus's Stealth-X during the firefight, and just as he(Luke) decided to finish the fight, he sensed Allana, and broke off the engagement.
Fury, Pg. 177-179, ABY 40
3. Luke could fight "as well as anyone in the academy" with his weak hand. The Swarm War Pg. 345 36 ABY
4. Cleaved Lomi Plo into four pieces by "simply" stepping into her attack and flicking his wrist twice. The Swarm War Pg. 348 36 ABY
5.Effortlessly flew his fighter through an attack that took out a quarter of his Stealth-X squadron. "As though he had a telepathic connection to the gunner's mind."
Pushed his fighter into a series of manuevers that made Jaina Solo suspect that he was using the force to even hold his fighter together.
Inferno pg. 225, 228 ABY 40
6.Defeated Darth Caedus in combat aboard the Anakin Solo.
During the course of the fight Luke:
Knicked one of Caedus's kidneys, Smashed his elbow into Caedus's temple, kneed Jacen in the chin (cracking teeth), kicked Jacen in the stomach,beat Jacen's guard so far down that his lightsaber bit into his own shoulder, landed a glancing lightsaber wound on Jacen's head, scratched Jacen's eyeball, hit Jacen with a force-wave that threw him into his own bed of thorns. dragged Jacen backwards with the force when Caedus tried to run, landed an elbow in Jacen's face that shattered a bone,used the force to throw both himself and Jacen into a wall, with jacen taking the impact, hammered his elbow under Jacen's chin, palm-heel under the chin,
Jacen:
Landed a kick on Luke's ribs, hit Luke with a bed of thorns, landed a punch on Luke's ribs, kicked Luke's knee, so that something popped, dropped a lighting fixture on Luke's head and shoulders, causing a bloody nose, kicked Luke in the knee again, caught Luke by the throat in a garrote, that Luke then escaped.
Inferno, Pg. 257-262, ABY 40
LUKE SKYWALKER
Force Feats:
1. Holds a mini-rocket inside of a YVH droid until it explodes instead of firing. Fury Pg. 322 40 ABY
2. Toppled and pinned a YVH droid to the floor with the force while he destroys it with his lightsaber. Fury Pg. 322 40 ABY
3. Picked up a YVH droid and hurled it into the viewport of the command deck on the Anakin Solo, shattering the viewport. Fury, Pg. 322 40 ABY
4. Created a force bubble that shielded him from a shuttle-disassembling force attack. The Swarm War Pg. 333 36 ABY
5. Force-batted shattergun pellets into a wall. The Swarm War Pg. 339 36 ABY
6."Rooted himself in the heart of the Force, and when he did that, he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him-not one of Lando's asteroid tuggers, not the Megador's sixteen ion engines, not the black hole at the center of the galaxy itself." Raynar despite drawing on the force potential of the Colony could not move him one centimeter. The Swarm War Pg. 341 36 ABY
7. Pinned Raynar against a wall. The Swarm War Pg. 341 36 ABY
8. Influenced Caedus's Battle Meditation so that Jacen committed the 4th fleet to a fight he could not win without the help of the Jedi.
Inferno, Pg. 106 ABY 40
9.Appeared on the Anakin Solo, then disappeared again,without explanation, despite being in his Stealth X.the entire time.
Inferno, Pg. 105-109 ABY 40
10.Picked Caedus up, hurled him 5 meters into his chair, and held him there, unable to move a finger for the duration of a conversation, Luke showed no visible effort to perform the feat.
Also destroyed Jacen's meditation chair by collapsing the pedastal.
Inferno, Pg. 134-138 ABY 40
11.
Manages to hide himself in the force so completely that all force users in the system, including Caedus, Jaina, and Leia, all believe he is dead.
Controls who can feel his presence in the force: "Ben was the only one whom his dad was allowing to sense him through the force. Not even Jacen had that kind of control." Inferno, Pg. 254, ABY 40
12.Unleashed a blinding tangle of energy ("Emerald Lightning"😉 that instantaneously killed a slayer. The Unifying Force Pg. 443-444, ABY 30
Combat Feats:
1. Luke successfully defends himself against the sparring attacks of both Cilghal and Kyp Durron. Disarms Cilghal.
Fury, pg. 38 40 ABY
2. Outflew Caedus in a fighter to the point that the anger Caedus felt was
"an undercurrent of frustration, helplessness, even fear.... It was like a man in his last seconds of life, recognizing the fact."
Luke constantly caused damage to Caedus's Stealth-X during the firefight, and just as he(Luke) decided to finish the fight, he sensed Allana, and broke off the engagement.
Fury, Pg. 177-179, ABY 40
3. Luke could fight "as well as anyone in the academy" with his weak hand. The Swarm War Pg. 345 36 ABY
4. Cleaved Lomi Plo into four pieces by "simply" stepping into her attack and flicking his wrist twice. The Swarm War Pg. 348 36 ABY
5.Effortlessly flew his fighter through an attack that took out a quarter of his Stealth-X squadron. "As though he had a telepathic connection to the gunner's mind."
Pushed his fighter into a series of manuevers that made Jaina Solo suspect that he was using the force to even hold his fighter together.
Inferno pg. 225, 228 ABY 40
6.Defeated Darth Caedus in combat aboard the Anakin Solo.
During the course of the fight Luke:
Knicked one of Caedus's kidneys, Smashed his elbow into Caedus's temple, kneed Jacen in the chin (cracking teeth), kicked Jacen in the stomach,beat Jacen's guard so far down that his lightsaber bit into his own shoulder, landed a glancing lightsaber wound on Jacen's head, scratched Jacen's eyeball, hit Jacen with a force-wave that threw him into his own bed of thorns. dragged Jacen backwards with the force when Caedus tried to run, landed an elbow in Jacen's face that shattered a bone,used the force to throw both himself and Jacen into a wall, with jacen taking the impact, hammered his elbow under Jacen's chin, palm-heel under the chin,
Jacen:
Landed a kick on Luke's ribs, hit Luke with a bed of thorns, landed a punch on Luke's ribs, kicked Luke's knee, so that something popped, dropped a lighting fixture on Luke's head and shoulders, causing a bloody nose, kicked Luke in the knee again, caught Luke by the throat in a garrote, that Luke then escaped.
Inferno, Pg. 257-262, ABY 40
7. Slew at least six out of fifteen slayers in the battle for Coruscant and then proceeded to defeat Shimrra. The Unifying Force Pg. 429-445, ABY 30
LUKE SKYWALKER
Force Feats:
1. Holds a mini-rocket inside of a YVH droid until it explodes instead of firing. Fury Pg. 322 40 ABY
2. Toppled and pinned a YVH droid to the floor with the force while he destroys it with his lightsaber. Fury Pg. 322 40 ABY
3. Picked up a YVH droid and hurled it into the viewport of the command deck on the Anakin Solo, shattering the viewport. Fury, Pg. 322 40 ABY
4. Created a force bubble that shielded him from a shuttle-disassembling force attack. The Swarm War Pg. 333 36 ABY
5. Force-batted shattergun pellets into a wall. The Swarm War Pg. 339 36 ABY
6."Rooted himself in the heart of the Force, and when he did that, he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him-not one of Lando's asteroid tuggers, not the Megador's sixteen ion engines, not the black hole at the center of the galaxy itself." Raynar despite drawing on the force potential of the Colony could not move him one centimeter. The Swarm War Pg. 341 36 ABY
7. Pinned Raynar against a wall. The Swarm War Pg. 341 36 ABY
8. Influenced Caedus's Battle Meditation so that Jacen committed the 4th fleet to a fight he could not win without the help of the Jedi.
Inferno, Pg. 106 ABY 40
9.Appeared on the Anakin Solo, then disappeared again,without explanation, despite being in his Stealth X.the entire time.
Inferno, Pg. 105-109 ABY 40
10.Picked Caedus up, hurled him 5 meters into his chair, and held him there, unable to move a finger for the duration of a conversation, Luke showed no visible effort to perform the feat.
Also destroyed Jacen's meditation chair by collapsing the pedastal.
Inferno, Pg. 134-138 ABY 40
11.
Manages to hide himself in the force so completely that all force users in the system, including Caedus, Jaina, and Leia, all believe he is dead.
Controls who can feel his presence in the force: "Ben was the only one whom his dad was allowing to sense him through the force. Not even Jacen had that kind of control." Inferno, Pg. 254, ABY 40
12.Unleashed a blinding tangle of energy ("Emerald Lightning"😉 that instantaneously killed a slayer. The Unifying Force Pg. 443-444, ABY 30
Combat Feats:
1. Luke successfully defends himself against the sparring attacks of both Cilghal and Kyp Durron. Disarms Cilghal.
Fury, pg. 38 40 ABY
2. Outflew Caedus in a fighter to the point that the anger Caedus felt was
"an undercurrent of frustration, helplessness, even fear.... It was like a man in his last seconds of life, recognizing the fact."
Luke constantly caused damage to Caedus's Stealth-X during the firefight, and just as he(Luke) decided to finish the fight, he sensed Allana, and broke off the engagement.
Fury, Pg. 177-179, ABY 40
3. Luke could fight "as well as anyone in the academy" with his weak hand. The Swarm War Pg. 345 36 ABY
4. Cleaved Lomi Plo into four pieces by "simply" stepping into her attack and flicking his wrist twice. The Swarm War Pg. 348 36 ABY
5.Effortlessly flew his fighter through an attack that took out a quarter of his Stealth-X squadron. "As though he had a telepathic connection to the gunner's mind."
Pushed his fighter into a series of manuevers that made Jaina Solo suspect that he was using the force to even hold his fighter together.
Inferno pg. 225, 228 ABY 40
6.Defeated Darth Caedus in combat aboard the Anakin Solo.
During the course of the fight Luke:
Knicked one of Caedus's kidneys, Smashed his elbow into Caedus's temple, kneed Jacen in the chin (cracking teeth), kicked Jacen in the stomach,beat Jacen's guard so far down that his lightsaber bit into his own shoulder, landed a glancing lightsaber wound on Jacen's head, scratched Jacen's eyeball, hit Jacen with a force-wave that threw him into his own bed of thorns. dragged Jacen backwards with the force when Caedus tried to run, landed an elbow in Jacen's face that shattered a bone,used the force to throw both himself and Jacen into a wall, with jacen taking the impact, hammered his elbow under Jacen's chin, palm-heel under the chin,
Jacen:
Landed a kick on Luke's ribs, hit Luke with a bed of thorns, landed a punch on Luke's ribs, kicked Luke's knee, so that something popped, dropped a lighting fixture on Luke's head and shoulders, causing a bloody nose, kicked Luke in the knee again, caught Luke by the throat in a garrote, that Luke then escaped.
Inferno, Pg. 257-262, ABY 40
7. Slew at least six out of fifteen slayers in the battle for Coruscant and then proceeded to defeat Shimrra. The Unifying Force Pg. 429-445, ABY 30
8. Fought a duel with Lumiya. Had the chance to kill her and passed on it, literally because he didn’t want to. Sacrifice Pg. 70 repeated on Pg 81 ABY 40
9. Fought a Duel with Lumiya, and killed her. The only injury to either party was Luke’s decapitating stroke after driving her off the side of cliff. Sacrifice Pg. 394 ABY 40
The purpose is to have a reference guide for the vs. forum. Instead of going around and around on : "Did this happen? Where? " We can just go to the list, and see if it happened or not. After the list is "complete" we can discount anything from wikipedia if it isn't backed by a page-numbered source, since wikipedia puts its OWN spin on many of the elements of star wars.
I grew tired of members quoting wikipedia like it was fact.