Originally posted by sithsaber408
she did say "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God."Directly followed by: "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."
And? She still personally believes that the Iraq war is God's will for America. No amount of spinning will dismiss that.
That should really tell (and frighten) you something about the reasoning she would use as a VP.
Originally posted by EnyalusAre you signing up now to take in a child? Out of the hundreds of thousands already waiting for adoption? Are you planning on adopting any children of raped women "responsible" for having a working vagina?Adoption? Let's not act like there aren't other options out there save for abortion. [/B]
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Are you planning on adopting any children of raped women "responsible" for having a working vagina?
You act like children of rape victims are somehow different from other children. I know someone who was born from a rape. She's 26 now, Italian American, and a pretty cool lady. Just your average North Carolinean (?) woman. I don't really see a difference.
For the record, I don't want to have any children of any kind or sort. Ever.
Not really; I treat zygotes or embryos conceived of rape or incest the same as embryos conceived of a condom breaking or a stupid teen not knowing to use one. They're all subject to a woman's personal choice of whether she decides to carry it to term.
If a person was conceived by a rape, that's all well and good, hopefully they will be, are or were raised to be a normal, well-adjusted member of society. That has little bearing on trying to force women who don't want to carry an embryo or fetus to term to do so.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not really; I treat zygotes or embryos conceived of rape or incest the same as embryos conceived of a condom breaking or a stupid teen not knowing to use one. They're all subject to a woman's personal choice of whether she decides to carry it to term.If a person was conceived by a rape, that's all well and good, hopefully they will be, are or were raised to be a normal, well-adjusted member of society. That has little bearing on trying to force women who don't want to carry an embryo or fetus to term to do so.
Force?
Why am I forced to care for any child?
Originally posted by Robtard
And? She still personally believes that the Iraq war is God's will for America. No amount of spinning will dismiss that.That should really tell (and frighten) you something about the reasoning she would use as a VP.
Well Veeps don't do anything anyways, except putting on a nice suit when they have to sit behind the president during the SOTU.
I really don't think she's dumb enough to think god actually wants US troops in Iraq under false pretenses. She knows they're there for oil, and is saying that it's god's will, but doesn't actually mean it. She knows that the redneck drinking a longneck and watching her from his couch will vote for her, just because she said god is on America's side.
No wonder the Arab nations call US soldiers "Crusaders". Like Pope Urban II did in the Dark Ages, a powerful Christian today is falling back on Jesus as a rallying call to send troops to the Middle East.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Well Veeps don't do anything anyways, except putting on a nice suit when they have to sit behind the president during the SOTU.I really don't think she's dumb enough to think god actually wants US troops in Iraq under false pretenses. She knows they're there for oil, and is saying that it's god's will, but doesn't actually mean it. She knows that the redneck drinking a longneck and watching her from his couch will vote for her, just because she said god is on America's side.
No wonder the Arab nations call US soldiers "Crusaders". Like Pope Urban II did in the Dark Ages, a powerful Christian today is falling back on Jesus as a rallying call to send troops to the Middle East.
I think Cheney does more than just look pretty for G.W.
She could be catering to the crowd(s), which is something politicians do when dropping the G-word, but she does belong to a church of snake handlers and babblers, which leads me to believe she's (at least) a bit of a religious nut.
Exactly, and implying that the U.S. is doing "God's will" in a war were a lot of the opposition is or is fueled by other religious fanatics doesn'y help the U.S.
Originally posted by Robtard
I think Cheney does more than just look pretty for G.W.She could be catering to the crowd(s), which is something politicians do when dropping the G-word, but she does belong to a church of snake handlers and babblers, which leads me to believe she's (at least) a bit of a religious nut.
Exactly, and implying that the U.S. is doing "God's will" in a war were a lot of the opposition is or is fueled by other religious fanatics doesn'y help the U.S.
And Obama is not? Sorry, but from my point of view, a Christian is a Christian.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And Obama is not? Sorry, but from my point of view, a Christian is a Christian.
Actually, there are moderate Christians, extremely fanatical Christian and those somewhere in between. Just like any other religion.
As far as I know, Obama hasn't said or implied that the U.S. was doing God's will in Iraq.
Originally posted by Robtard
Actually, there are moderate Christians, extremely fanatical Christian and those in between.As far as I know, Obama hasn't said or implied that the U.S. was doing God's will in Iraq.
Your comparison is wrong. There is a difference between saying "the U.S. was doing God's will in Iraq" and praying that "the U.S. was doing God's will in Iraq". It is like saying I hope that I am doing the right thing, rather then saying I am doing the right thing.
The idea that someone would pray to a god is stupid, but they all do it.
Originally posted by Robtard
She could be catering to the crowd(s), which is something politicians do when dropping the G-word, but she does belong to a church of snake handlers and babblers, which leads me to believe she's (at least) a bit of a religious nut.
Does Pastor Wright ring a bell? Guess we've all forgotten his idiocy and the fact that Obama listened to that idiocy for what, 20+ years?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your comparison is wrong. There is a difference between saying "the U.S. was doing God's will in Iraq" and praying that "the U.S. was doing God's will in Iraq". It is like saying I hope that I am doing the right thing, rather then saying I am doing the right thing.
Shaky, ftw.
That's what I've been saying all along, and what Palin cleared up on the ABC interview last night.
I posted it on the other page, but in effect: She doesn't know God's will, doesn't speak for God, and hopes that we are doing His will.
A perfectly reasonable position for a Christian woman to take.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then Obama is dangerous, because if he does not pray to his god that he is doing the right thing, then he is not really a Christian.
Not my point and that doesn't make sense anyway.
The difference between "this was is God's will" and "I hope this war is God's will" is that in the first case the person is following some sort of conviction and in the second case is not. Supporting a war because you think it's the right thing is dangerous. Supporting a war for no reason is malicious.