Rasengan, Gamabunta while drugged, the swamp thing, Toad Mouth Jutsu or whatever he used against Kisame, and Itachi.
And it ended because of surprise and the fact that she finally caught Oro who wasn't even close to being at full power. Name one thing that Tsunade has shown that makes her even close to being close to Oro or Jiraiya in power? Nothing. She showed her immense strength, no fighting skill, no kind of powerful fighting jutsu, and incredible medical jutsu which was the reason she was needed anyway. And her blood phobia isn't an excuse as to why she couldn't hit anybody at the start of the fight before it was ever brought up.
Tsunade wasn't at her best in that fight either. She used up energy and chakra chasing Kabuto while he was at his best thanks to the pill.
And again, Kabuto is Kakashi-level according to extremely credible sources. It doesn't matter what it looks like on paper. on paper Gaara has the advantage over Guy but in reality Guy took a blast of his sand like nothing. On paper the Sound 4 at CS2 have a huge variety of techniques but they still only barely beat 2 exhausted Jonin.
And it ended because of surprise and the fact that she finally caught Oro who wasn't even close to being at full power. Name one thing that Tsunade has shown that makes her even close to being close to Oro or Jiraiya in power? Nothing. She showed her immense strength, no fighting skill, no kind of powerful fighting jutsu, and incredible medical jutsu which was the reason she was needed anyway. And her blood phobia isn't an excuse as to why she couldn't hit anybody at the start of the fight before it was ever brought up.
She can become practically invincible for a time with Creation/Genesis Rebirth and would easily kill Jiraiya. Oro only survived because of his modified body.
Originally posted by Pyron_KnightYeah...and Jiraiya or Oro would completely stomp Kakashi or Kabuto. The fact that your using her fight against Kabuto as an excuse makes her seem even weaker.
Tsunade wasn't at her best in that fight either. She used up energy and chakra chasing Kabuto while he was at his best thanks to the pill.
And again, Kabuto is Kakashi-level according to extremely credible sources. It doesn't matter what it looks like on paper. on paper Gaara has the advantage over Guy but in reality Guy took a blast of his sand like nothing. On paper the Sound 4 at CS2 have a huge variety of techniques but they still only barely beat 2 exhausted Jonin.
And not really. Gai is a stronger, faster Lee. So on paper and feats Gai > Gaara. And the sound 4 don't have a variety or attacks. And a huge variety of techniques mean nothing. And those two Jonin could of had a lot of techniques to as doesn't being a Jonin mean you have to be able to use more than one element in Konoha?
Originally posted by Pyron_KnightOro also was weakened and got caught because of his long tounge. Jiraiya also fights completely different than Oro. So in the same situation the battle would have been completely different. Heck a unweakened Oro who could use more than his tounge to attack would have been a completely different fight.
She can become practically invincible for a time with Creation/Genesis Rebirth and would easily kill Jiraiya. Oro only survived because of his modified body.
Yeah...and Jiraiya or Oro would completely stomp Kakashi or Kabuto. The fact that your using her fight against Kabuto as an excuse makes her seem even weaker.
How so? You're the one harping on about speed. Name me one speed feat of Jiraiya or Orochimaru.
The taijutsu portion of his fight with Sarutobi was the most pathetic thing ever. Kakashi could blitz his ugly ass no doubt if we go by the wa you're arguing.
And not really. Gai is a stronger, faster Lee. So on paper and feats Gai > Gaara. And the sound 4 don't have a variety or attacks. And a huge variety of techniques mean nothing. And those two Jonin could of had a lot of techniques to as doesn't being a Jonin mean you have to be able to use more than one element in Konoha?
On paper Guy should do no better than Lee.
Just looking at theri powers, Gaara has an ever-present multi-defense system and can launch an attack at you with the ground (sinc ehe dums sand all over the place)
Guy just runs fast and hits things.
And what are you talking about the Sound 4 didn't hav ea huge variety of techniques? They've got one who uses a genjutsu flute, another who can pull apart his body on the molecular level and enter opponents, another who can secrete a metal-hard thread for a large set of techniques and well...the last one is just insanely strong.
Seems like quite a good variety to me.
As for using two elements...that isn't that great. It's quality not quantity as low-level jutsu is still low-level jutsu.
Oro also was weakened and got caught because of his long tounge. Jiraiya also fights completely different than Oro. So in the same situation the battle would have been completely different. Heck a unweakened Oro who could use more than his tounge to attack would have been a completely different fight.
That's true. And a non-rusty worn out Tsunade would've been a different fight too though she did have the least handicap of all the Sannin present.
How about the fact that Kakashi was scared of Orochimaru? And I never said anything about blitzing I said they'd stomp them. Oro knows more high level jutsu than Kakashi or Kabuto, is more powerful than them, and has shown his jutsu and skills. Jiraiya has shown jutsu that they would never escape from, and more power while being mostly a summon huge toads which they aren't beating. Tsunade has shown...she's a brillant user of chakra and medical ninjutsu but no real skill in anything else.
And Gaara has proven Lee moves faster than his sand defense. Gai is stronger, and faster. Lee can break the sand armor. Gai would be able to get pass the sand quicker, and hit harder. On paper Gaara would never be able to hit him because Gai is faster. So yea doesn't work out.q
I thought you meant each one had a variety that's why I said that and said something about two elements. Still a variety of jutsu mean little. Even more so when we don't even know what kinda jutsu the two people they fought had. If you want to say that though even Shikamaru's team had a wide variety of jutsu but they still wouldn't beat Kakashi and Gai. It's also not all about power in Naruto but skill and the type of attacks.
Except if she was really so great she wouldn't have been worn out on such a low level opponent like Kabuto who even if he is Kakashi level shouldn't pose a threat to a Sannin. She may have a lot of chakra but it's not use for fighting. Just like Oro is a ninjutsu user so he'd suck at being a summoner and his taijutsu isn't all that and Jiraiya us a summoner who doesn't know many jutsu Tsunade is a medical ninja who doesn't know many jutsu nor is she a skilled fighter. Maybe my opinion on her will change when she fights to protect Konoha but she hasn't shown anything to warrant a place among Oro and Jiraiya when it comes to fighting. Just like Sakura doesn't warrant a place among Sasuke and Naruto even though she's extremely skilled in medical ninjutsu and can do the amping strength thing and is the Tsunade of team 7.
Originally posted by Kento
How about the fact that Kakashi was scared of Orochimaru? And I never said anything about blitzing I said they'd stomp them. Oro knows more high level jutsu than Kakashi or Kabuto, is more powerful than them, and has shown his jutsu and skills. Jiraiya has shown jutsu that they would never escape from, and more power while being mostly a summon huge toads which they aren't beating. Tsunade has shown...she's a brillant user of chakra and medical ninjutsu but no real skill in anything else.And Gaara has proven Lee moves faster than his sand defense. Gai is stronger, and faster. Lee can break the sand armor. Gai would be able to get pass the sand quicker, and hit harder. On paper Gaara would never be able to hit him because Gai is faster. So yea doesn't work out.q
I thought you meant each one had a variety that's why I said that and said something about two elements. Still a variety of jutsu mean little. Even more so when we don't even know what kinda jutsu the two people they fought had. If you want to say that though even Shikamaru's team had a wide variety of jutsu but they still wouldn't beat Kakashi and Gai. It's also not all about power in Naruto but skill and the type of attacks.
Except if she was really so great she wouldn't have been worn out on such a low level opponent like Kabuto who even if he is Kakashi level shouldn't pose a threat to a Sannin. She may have a lot of chakra but it's not use for fighting. Just like Oro is a ninjutsu user so he'd suck at being a summoner and his taijutsu isn't all that and Jiraiya us a summoner who doesn't know many jutsu Tsunade is a medical ninja who doesn't know many jutsu nor is she a skilled fighter. Maybe my opinion on her will change when she fights to protect Konoha but she hasn't shown anything to warrant a place among Oro and Jiraiya when it comes to fighting. Just like Sakura doesn't warrant a place among Sasuke and Naruto even though she's extremely skilled in medical ninjutsu and can do the amping strength thing and is the Tsunade of team 7.
your using the rank of sannin like it means they are goin to win a fight that easily just because the rank is lower here are some examples of how much rank doenst matter.
Naruto is a genin with clearly a chunnin level of skill maybe even jonin. Actually all of the rookie nine proved they should have earned the rank of chunnin/jonin during part 1
Gaara is a kazekage and yet he was still beaten beaten by deidara who was a jonin because if he was a kage im pretty sure he would not have left the village.
And whose to say kakashi cant beat jaraiya the level of sannin is given to those trained under the hokage and kakashi was trained under the 4th. kakashi also has the sharingan plus mangekyou
Also i assume kakashi isnt given the name sannin because jaraiya oro and tsunade were still around
Originally posted by yungz22What? I'm saying she isn't great...How does that have to do with me saying her rank. She's a medical Ninja and the best but she's a bad fighter.
your using the rank of sannin like it means they are goin to win a fight that easily just because the rank is lower here are some examples of how much rank doenst matter.Naruto is a genin with clearly a chunnin level of skill maybe even jonin. Actually all of the rookie nine proved they should have earned the rank of chunnin/jonin during part 1
Gaara is a kazekage and yet he was still beaten beaten by deidara who was a jonin because if he was a kage im pretty sure he would not have left the village.
And whose to say kakashi cant beat jaraiya the level of sannin is given to those trained under the hokage and kakashi was trained under the 4th. kakashi also has the sharingan plus mangekyou
Also i assume kakashi isnt given the name sannin because jaraiya oro and tsunade were still around
Deidara beat Gaara because he tricked him...And when did I say rank makes somebody stronger? Others are saying she's a sannin so she should win. Oro and Jiraiya are the powerful fighters of the three while she's the healer. That's why I'm trying to get at. Oro is the ninjutsu, Jiraiya the summoner, and Tsunade ther medical ninja.
Sannin was given to them by their enemy because they survived....Not because they trained under a kage. And Jiraiya would beat Kakashi because Jiraiya is more powerful. Kakashi may know a lot more jutsu and have MS but that doesn't suddenly make him so unbeatable. Not to mention his MS technique has a hard time focusing and Jiraiya uses giant frogs to attack with giant flames. Kakashi wouldn't be fighting Jiraiya he'd be fighting summons. Plus Rasengan > Chidori.
Originally posted by Kento
What? I'm saying she isn't great...How does that have to do with me saying her rank. She's a medical Ninja and the best but she's a bad fighter.
Naruto is genin in skill...Jonin in power sure but Naruto is not that skilled.Deidara beat Gaara because he tricked him...And when did I say rank makes somebody stronger? Others are saying she's a sannin so she should win. Oro and Jiraiya are the powerful fighters of the three while she's the healer. That's why I'm trying to get at. Oro is the ninjutsu, Jiraiya the summoner, and Tsunade ther medical ninja.
Sannin was given to them by their enemy because they survived....Not because they trained under a kage. And Jiraiya would beat Kakashi because Jiraiya is more powerful. Kakashi may know a lot more jutsu and have MS but that doesn't suddenly make him so unbeatable. Not to mention his MS technique has a hard time focusing and Jiraiya uses giant frogs to attack with giant flames. Kakashi wouldn't be fighting Jiraiya he'd be fighting summons. Plus Rasengan > Chidori.
kakashi also has rasengan