http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxstrength.jpg
Maxim's strength is "near Drax's non-adrenalined peak, which puts him in a class with the Hulk"
So Hulk = Maxim < Non-adrenalined Drax < Adrenalined Drax < Pre-Death Thanos
I know, I know, hardly conclusive but it's at least evidence of some sort on Thanos' side
yes and should I show you Beyonder saying that Hulk is AS INFINITE AS HIM?
that scan's weak, just a throwaway comment with no meaning whatsoever.
how is it that Hulk's strength, which cannot be measured as per Leader and Samson's experiments, is suddenly supposed to be in the class of Moon Dragon???
come on, you can't be serious about that can you?
Originally posted by janus77
when? I don't recall any instances of Surfer KOing Hulk.yes Surfer is not just durable to fantastic levels, but has extraordinary stamina too, but if you read my posts you'll know that I don't say he could take that kind of punishment without consequence nor indefinitely, I say he took an impressive amount of punishment from beings far beyond Thor et al.
Hulk has no functional upper limit to how much power he can output in a punch or a thunderclap, it's on-panel and indisputable.
it's also been shown that Hulk is more durable than Surfer, specifically when they both went through the powerful wormhole that pulled them into Sakaar; Surfer was knocked out and weakened by it, whereas Hulk was merely weakened by it but still capable of lifting mountains and taking nuclear bombs head on.
further, on the way from Sakaar to Earth, Hulk proved on panel that his skin and physiology was tough enough to take the vacuum of space (as well as enduring the wormhole again) as he stood on top of the stone ship out in space... so I think they proved that Hulk can take everything Surfer can take and a little bit more.
But you bring it up in every other Surfer thread...
When Surfer is weakened, Surfer is really weakened. If something is able to weaken him that is. I don't see how this is a knock on anyone's durability.
I saw the scans posted up of the two incidences, neither actually suggested Hulk was KO'd. and the second instance was of Hulk falling from a breaking mountain side.
I bring what up?
The Sakaar wormhole? that was a specially powerful wormhole, according to the residents of the planet. only one being has ever managed to survive entry through it conscious. that being is Hulk.
Surfer was knocked out by it, then depowered as a result of being cut off from the Power Cosmic (either a function of the obedience disc or of the wormhole itself, it was unclear).
what I'm relating is what is on-panel, Hulk is more durable/resilient.
don't forget, Hulk has also survived having a universe of energy exploding out of him (he was the doorway/nexus between Franklin's pocket universe and 616), something I've seen nobody under Galactus levels do.
I like Surfer, he's an amazingly powerful and versatile character, but Hulk has everyone beat when it comes to absolute power. you can't compete with someone who can literally never tap out. who's always capable of being more powerful and more resilient.
that's what his powerset is about, it's what his character's been defined as since he was 'born'. I don't see why people just keep on thinking that someone else must be stronger than him, when Marvel makes it crystal that there is no one stronger than Hulk.
that said, if you read my initial post in this thread, I do say Thanos wins, just not in a h2h or a test of strength. nobody can win against Hulk "fighting to the best of his abilities" in a strictly h2h fight.
Originally posted by janus77http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk02.jpg
I saw the scans posted up of the two incidences, neither actually suggested Hulk was KO'd. and the second instance was of Hulk falling from a breaking mountain side.I bring what up?
The Sakaar wormhole? that was a specially powerful wormhole, according to the residents of the planet. only one being has ever managed to survive entry through it conscious. that being is Hulk.Surfer was knocked out by it, then depowered as a result of being cut off from the Power Cosmic (either a function of the obedience disc or of the wormhole itself, it was unclear).
what I'm relating is what is on-panel, Hulk is more durable/resilient.
don't forget, Hulk has also survived having a universe of energy exploding out of him (he was the doorway/nexus between Franklin's pocket universe and 616), something I've seen nobody under Galactus levels do.
I like Surfer, he's an amazingly powerful and versatile character, but Hulk has everyone beat when it comes to absolute power. you can't compete with someone who can literally never tap out. who's always capable of being more powerful and more resilient.
that's what his powerset is about, it's what his character's been defined as since he was 'born'. I don't see why people just keep on thinking that someone else must be stronger than him, when Marvel makes it crystal that there is no one stronger than Hulk.
that said, if you read my initial post in this thread, I do say Thanos wins, just not in a h2h or a test of strength. nobody can win against Hulk "fighting to the best of his abilities" in a strictly h2h fight.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk3.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk4.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk5.jpg
"The portal had weakened me. I was vulnerable as never before. My captors pierced my flesh."
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/IncredibleHulk95-005.jpg
On another note, I just realized that Surfer was weakened by the portal, the disk, and the planet when Hulk cheapshotted Surfer and finally was able to actually manage something against Surfer... just a thought.
Is there any way that I can have a panel or something that actually explains that nexus better, where it doesn't sound like someone is trying to make something into an abstract level feat?
OK, so anyway, Hulk is more durable than Surfer; Surfer has never KO'ed Hulk, Hulk can never be competed against because he won't tap out, and Hulk is durable enough to take an entire universe worth of energy exploding in him... oh, and nobody can ever beat Hulk in an engagement of fisticuffs.
My friend, you just changed my whole opinion on Hulk. Hulk wins this battle easily.
those scans show Savage Hulk getting knocked about and then losing knocked out by a FALL from a mountain. that's a bona fide low showing, for sure.
nothing else there is particularly relevant, especially when you see that Surfer didn't actually KO Hulk, as was the assertion.
I made it clear that, within parameters, Hulk shouldn't lose a Forums fight, when you abide by the stipulation that he fights "to the best of his abilities".
read the Onslaught Saga, the Heroes Reborn saga where they need Hulk to be the doorway, he floats out into space and unleashes the nexus energies.
it's an on-panel fact that he had 2 universes of energies flowing through him throughout the whole saga... it's what Apocalypse' Celestial Tech tapped into, it's what caused the Bannerless Hulk to leak radiation everywhere (pouring out from Hulk in one universe from the other).
Hulk's got big vulnerabilities which pretty much make it impossible for him to win against anyone on Surfer's level of energy manipulation, but Hulk's fundamental attribute is that infinite well of energy from which he achieves the "incredible". it's what the character is.
Originally posted by janus77...
those scans show Savage Hulk getting knocked about and then losing knocked out by a FALL from a mountain. that's a bona fide low showing, for sure.nothing else there is particularly relevant, especially when you see that Surfer didn't actually KO Hulk, as was the assertion.
I made it clear that, within parameters, Hulk shouldn't lose a Forums fight, when you abide by the stipulation that he fights "to the best of his abilities".
read the Onslaught Saga, the Heroes Reborn saga where they need Hulk to be the doorway, he floats out into space and unleashes the nexus energies.
it's an on-panel fact that he had 2 universes of energies flowing through him throughout the whole saga... it's what Apocalypse' Celestial Tech tapped into, it's what caused the Bannerless Hulk to leak radiation everywhere (pouring out from Hulk in one universe from the other).
Hulk's got big vulnerabilities which pretty much make it impossible for him to win against anyone on Surfer's level of energy manipulation, but Hulk's fundamental attribute is that infinite well of energy from which he achieves the "incredible". it's what the character is.
Which doesn't make your statement any less... what's the word I'm looking for here... ah yes, 'Surfer solos the JLA' esque.
So, can you show me a scan where this could be considered a massive durability feat from him? An explanation from a comic? To me it just seems like a powerup.
I got a question:
If Hulk has unlimited energy, then how was Surfer able to take away his gamma radiation? Wouldn't his gamma radiation be unlimited as well?
Originally posted by llagrok
Quanchi, when did the Hulk "beat the shit out of Thor"Give me the issue number.
Originally posted by quanchi112I never said that. Bada is angry with me because I am more powerful than he is. Witness the true quote.
Have you read Rulk?
He has beaten the shit out of a Watcher and Thor. I mean he beat the piss out of them. Supes is toast.
Originally posted by vansonbeeBased on feats,Thanos would slaughter him in a brawl without using his powers.
Of course the Hulk is strongest in brute force, he Stan Lee first baby 😱Hulk has evolve and gain better story lines through years, except Red Hulk comics came to be I guess -_-....
I'm just saying Hulk can beat Thanos in Physical strength...
Overrall skills of the battle. Thanos wins
Originally posted by FearOfBlood
Hulk beat Sentry, Strange/Zom, Black Bolt, Onslaught and Galaxy Master...Thanos got killed/defeated by Drax. Nova one-shotted Drax, the same Nova that can't compete with Silver Surfer beaten by a weakened Hulk in 3 blows...
IIRC Drax sneak attacked him. I mean they didn't really fight, he impaled him from the back. Thanos has beaten Hulk with a pimp slap and made Thing and Hulk kiss and make up. He also beats the Silver Surfer every time. Surfer was weakened in that fight on Planet Hulk. He didn't have the full PC. Also Hulk stalemated Sentry. Banner beat Reynolds.
