Originally posted by EnyalusYes, but as a rematch without the Force would not be a blow by blow recreation...
In the novelization, Anakin has an opportunity to kill Obi-Wan early in their duel. Obi-Wan is completely at his mercy with his blade poised to strike - when Obi-Wan uses the Force to reverse the polarity in Anakin's durasteel hand, thus making him drop his lightsaber.In a strict sabers duel, Obi-Wan isn't going to have that ability.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Prove it. 😎
( i just love this kind of thing!)
and if it was....
(at one point in the movie (> canon than the novelization) obi-wan is going to kill Anakin until anakin calls his saber to himself with the force. He couldnt' do that in a strict saber contest, so he dies.)
Assuming that a "clear-headed" Anakin would be going through the likes of Yoda, the Emperor, Exar Kun, etc., I don't see how Mace or Depa would stand a chance. If he has clarity, he isn't using the dark side, and therefore the more unique aspects of Vaapad would be null.
Of course, there's a rather large group of individuals that probably Anakin can't defeat in an all-out battle; Luke, Yoda, Sidious and possibly a dozen or more prominent Sith Lords, Kyp Durron, and most likely Starkiller and Mace Windu. Obi-Wan is fully capable of taking him, too.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Yeah, a clear headed Vader is really Jedi Anakin.
A clear headed Vader would be the one who slaughtered countless Jedi at the Jedi Temple and was able to effortlessly kill Cin Drallig and (perhaps) defeat Shaak Ti in battle. At the Jedi Temple, which was the strongest Force nexus in the galaxy and Light-Side alligned (meaning everyone he killed was receiving a power boost while he was definitely not.)
Also, towards the end of his fight with Count Dooku, I think he taps into the Dark Side then as well. Prior to actually defeating him, he was holding back and 'clear headed.' Then he 'unlocks the furnace' or some other kind of analogy, and absolutely destroys Dooku - moving his blade so quickly that Dooku sees the room through a blue haze.
Originally posted by Enyalus
A clear headed Vader would be the one who slaughtered countless Jedi at the Jedi Temple and was able to effortlessly kill Cin Drallig and (perhaps) defeat Shaak Ti in battle. At the Jedi Temple, which was the strongest Force nexus in the galaxy and Light-Side alligned (meaning everyone he killed was receiving a power boost while he was definitely not.)
Originally posted by truejedi
okay KOTOR... we have no proof that anyone recieves a boost from the Jedi Temple until the Wall was destroyed in NJO. Even then, its obvious you didn't have to use the ligh-side of the force to gain that boost (Nyax is proof enough of that ( that's his name right?))
From the ROTS novelization:
'The Jedi Temple was the greatest nexus of Force energy in the Republic; its ziggurat design focused the Force the way a lightsaber's gemstone focused its energy stream. With the thousands of Jedi and Padawans within it every day contemplating peace, seeking knowledge, and meditating on justice and surrender to the will of the Force, the Temple was a fountain of the light.
Just being on its rooftop landing deck sent a surge of power through Anakin's whole body; if the Force was ever to show him a way to change the dark future of his nightmares, it would do so here.'
1) Do not ever call me KOTOR again.
2) Do not ever correct me again.
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Meh, since I can't edit my post anymore: The reason Lord Nyax was able to use it and it boosted Dark Side powers, was because after the slaughter at the Temple during the Great Jedi Purge, the power became twisted with the Dark Side of the Force (as to be expected from that much death and suffering).
Prior to that, as you can see...it's a light alignment. And as Anakin demonstrates, just by being on the roof of the building gave him a surge of power. As a Dark Sider, he obviously doesn't have that bonus, everyone else does - and he still utterly dominated. That's very impressive to me.
eh, you were right, i was wrong in this context, i'll give you that. I had forgotten that. I don't know if he would LOSE the bonus necessarily just because of his alignment. If there is power there, powerful force users often seem able to tap into it, but i was wrong about the whole force nexus thing.
Too much reading, hurts toes.
My point was that Anakin falls to the Dark Side becuase things are not clear. His whole fall was based around his perception of his friends and allies betraying him. You know... Jedi buddies are traitors, Obi-Wan's a jerk, Padme's dieing, closest confidante a Sith Lord. Vader, as we should more accurately say, was not too clear-headed in ROTS. Which is why a clear-headed ROTS pre-suit Vader is a paradox.
Am I right? Can anyone correct me?
Originally posted by Tangible God
Too much reading, hurts toes.My point was that Anakin falls to the Dark Side becuase things are not clear. His whole fall was based around his perception of his friends and allies betraying him. You know... Jedi buddies are traitors, Obi-Wan's a jerk, Padme's dieing, closest confidante a Sith Lord. Vader, as we should more accurately say, was not too clear-headed in ROTS. Which is why a clear-headed ROTS pre-suit Vader is a paradox.
Am I right? Can anyone correct me?
In the larger picture, wurd. But when he's fighting Dooku, for instance - after using the Dark Side, it says he has 'crystal clarity.' *shrug*