Wilhelm vs. Ganon, Sephiroth and Kain

Originally posted by leonheartmm
blood????????????? soul?????????????? ......................sigh

wilhelm is a being who exists to protect the lower domain from the power of the higher dimensional multiversal god, udo. he exists, half as a physical body who can easily teleport galactis distances, phase through objects, open space and dimensional breaches/doorways, disintegrate and be made whole, etc etc etc. as well as simultaneously being fully aware and existing in the umn, the soul dimension where all conciousnesses of the universe are. his other half of the body is the mech, joshua, who even sittin still gives out enough energy to power a space station as large as a country with faster than light speed travel and ability to easily blast giant gnosis/plant systems to dust. on offensive mode, joshua is THE strongest mech in the xenosaga universe. he has had in his control, form the beginning of the lost jerusalem era, the artifacts of god, the zohar, the vessels of anima, omega metapsychosis, merkabah and the song of the nephilim, as well as the y data and his own plans beyond the y data. since time immemorial, he has created all known major governments and organisations to further his goals in the known universe and ensure its survival against cosmic forces. even his servants, the 4 testaments, have power so far beyond human comprehension that with the wave of a hand, they can disable beasts like proto omega which are a threat to the whole universe, being so powerful infact that they dont even exist as physical entities, but infact, as abstract ones who interact with the world and minds of people through the umn to create PERCEPTUAL phenomenon. wilhelm, going by mythology, is the devil/lucifer in the xenosagaverse. possibly for countless times, he has used eternal recurrance to revive ack space and time, before all of creation met its ultimate end due to the power of anima, and has been alive/active through ALL these realities, always repeating the same process to ensure the survival of the kosmos.

kain does not have a PRAYER! or gannon or sephiroth for that matter.

I am not going to argue there, but I know Burning thought will. He thinks Kain can beat Pyron. LOL.

^put it this way, a THOUSAND pyrons at full power cudnt HOPE to beat wilhelm if he was serious about fighting.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
blood????????????? soul?????????????? ......................sigh

wilhelm is a being who exists to protect the lower domain from the power of the higher dimensional multiversal god, udo. he exists, half as a physical body who can easily teleport galactis distances, phase through objects, open space and dimensional breaches/doorways, disintegrate and be made whole, etc etc etc. as well as simultaneously being fully aware and existing in the umn, the soul dimension where all conciousnesses of the universe are. his other half of the body is the mech, joshua, who even sittin still gives out enough energy to power a space station as large as a country with faster than light speed travel and ability to easily blast giant gnosis/plant systems to dust. on offensive mode, joshua is THE strongest mech in the xenosaga universe. he has had in his control, form the beginning of the lost jerusalem era, the artifacts of god, the zohar, the vessels of anima, omega metapsychosis, merkabah and the song of the nephilim, as well as the y data and his own plans beyond the y data. since time immemorial, he has created all known major governments and organisations to further his goals in the known universe and ensure its survival against cosmic forces. even his servants, the 4 testaments, have power so far beyond human comprehension that with the wave of a hand, they can disable beasts like proto omega which are a threat to the whole universe, being so powerful infact that they dont even exist as physical entities, but infact, as abstract ones who interact with the world and minds of people through the umn to create PERCEPTUAL phenomenon. wilhelm, going by mythology, is the devil/lucifer in the xenosagaverse. possibly for countless times, he has used eternal recurrance to revive ack space and time, before all of creation met its ultimate end due to the power of anima, and has been alive/active through ALL these realities, always repeating the same process to ensure the survival of the kosmos.

kain does not have a PRAYER! or gannon or sephiroth for that matter.

BUt in this long post youve not described to me whether the guy is immune to soul/blood attacks, youve not said anything of the sort so from this it seems likely he is not immune to either of these things and your doing a combination of stalling and straw manning to try and prop up the guy who could die in one hit.

And to the above posts, Pyron would be less than adquate against this guy if his [b]physical[b] power is as high as you claim

BT, are you really saying that Kain can compete with this guy? 😐

The guys shown me no feats at all, whats he even done?

If he can in an instant reality warp Kain into a duck then sure, hes too much, but until ive seen any proof of him being impressive in the slgihtest then "shrug" ime not conceding when all i know is that this character looks like a queer nonse of a poof.

are you KIDDING me???? ive given you things he has DONE! and comparison with others who are inferior to him and who he has beaten. BLOOD????? havent i already told you, he doesnt even exist in real space, he is almost an asbtract, perceptual being, having great power over UMN and the collective unconcious of all of creation {souls in the nexosagaverse}. he deosnt have BLOOD and even if he did, it doesnt contain his soul. burning thought, your wanking of kain is going well beyond anything imagineable of a fanboy.

not quite, youve gone far beyond that "beyond" you claim of. What has he done? all ive heard is his mainpulations, you cant even tell me whether he has a soul or not, thus, if hes got a soul, kain can destroy him, if hes not got a soul, Kain can possess him, its as simple as that, show me his most powerful feat please

he can create space time anomolies in the blink of an eye. btw, those are super blackholes if you were wondering. he is a CONCEPTUAL BEING. his "soul" so to speak is connected with the entire universe/multiverse. souls are one of the most compex things when it comes to xenosaga. the MIND/conciousness exists in virtual space{the domain of imaginary numbers} and the physical body exists in real space. kain has no domain over such a type of soul, infact, wilhelm has domain over MANY eons of conciousnesses. he also has joshua, a mech that can simply destroy the world, as well as the compass of order and chaos, whose inanimate default ementaing power was strong enough to kill a TESTAMENT{see above for feats of testaments as ive expained before}. again, wilhelm's power is better judged by those who were killed by it even indirectly or those, servants who GET their power from his own. he was able to stop kosmos with the soul of mary magdalene and the animus in her tracks and cause intensive pain to the entire protagonist team as well as his strongest testament- the red testament as he saw fit.

kain is NUTHING compared to wilhelm. and if thats ALL uve heard then u havent reall been hearing.................why am i not surprised.

Can you show me him creating instant super blackholes and explain to me how this will be worth anything when using against someone who cant die? but more importantly SHOW ME him doing it or SHOW ME your source that could point to it, if you cant then your likely just assuming which you do alot in your arguments....(sry for any "good" debators if you are insulted by me calling his points arguments)

^i think they are more insulted that sum1 like u has the audacity to even open his mouth.

so let me get this straight, first you ask is he has blood and a soul which kain CUD eat, when he doesnt, you ask for feats even when plenty are given, then you ask for his STRONGEST feat, when many are again given, THEN you ask for other to SHOW you that so and so actually happened, all the time not beleiving what you ask for and saying kain wins?!?!? your one pathetic little dude you know that.

kain is only immortal on nosgoth, and that means next to nothing when you are going up against beings which redefine what death and life are. he will be KILLED without fail in less than a nanosecond against wilhelm. and btw, a blackholw will end the concept of time and dimensions, effectively annihlating kain, whose IMMORTALITY depends on those very concepts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_(Xenosaga)

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^i think they are more insulted that sum1 like u has the audacity to even open his mouth.

so let me get this straight, first you ask is he has blood and a soul which kain CUD eat, when he doesnt, you ask for feats even when plenty are given, then you ask for his STRONGEST feat, when many are again given, THEN you ask for other to SHOW you that so and so actually happened, all the time not beleiving what you ask for and saying kain wins?!?!? your one pathetic little dude you know that.

kain is only immortal on nosgoth, and that means next to nothing when you are going up against beings which redefine what death and life are. he will be KILLED without fail in less than a nanosecond against wilhelm. and btw, a blackholw will end the concept of time and dimensions, effectively annihlating kain, whose IMMORTALITY depends on those very concepts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_(Xenosaga)

Youve not shown me jack, youve simply claimed sad little things like instantly creating black holes, so show me? if you cant show me, then you have nothng, if youve got nothing, then stop ranting please and concede like a good kid.

Character powers and statistics work on equel terms as they would in their own universe...thus, Kain cannot die, simple, the guy cannot seem to be able to do anything at all from what youve shown, which is so far nothing, only baseless claims so far 🙂 .

In less than a second Kain would destroy Wilhelms soul unless you can prove he does not have one, if he does not have one, then he posseses the dude and wins via that.

^lmao again. you DO know that no1{perhaps save 1} in these forums beleives your version of things right?!?!?!?!?!

character;s powers and statistics work on equal terms. yet all of legacy of kain happens one ONE sad little planet, while xenosaga happens on SEVERAL different universes. so xenosaga has you beat there. so now lets put a wager on it if you have the balls, wilhelm's power CANT create blackhole? whadda you say. after all that IS what ur claiming {without having ANY knowledge of xenosaga which is QUITE idiotic}.

kain's immortality is testament to many things, his heart not having been destroyed, how he was turned into a vampire, his role as balance guardian, razial/s role and actions. and its not very abstract, depending on concepts like space and time. many manu, beings in xenosaga would destroy those concepts of simply time travel and overwhelm all that gave kain his immortality on nosgoth{destroying nosgoth is no biggy fro xenosaga characters} . the overhyped three fingered vampire is SCREWED here. kain can not hope to imagine to ever posess the powers required to even SCRATCH wilhelm, let alone posess him or eat his soul{an aspect of the multiverse}. again, READ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_

Whats funny is that no one can debate against me, if even debate properly considering these things.

Ime not saying he cant, ime saying he cant if you cant show me he CAN

He doesnt have to scratch the guy, he just needs to rip out his soul and replace it with his own to win, youv already told me Wilhelm HAS got a soul....so Wilhelm has no abilties youve proven so far, it says nothing in that article that I can see that claims he can create blackholes in a blink of an eye...bolden it for me please.

1. unwarranted narcissim - pathetic

2. you want a video?

3. it isnt a soul in the simplistic way that souls are in legacy of kain. it is an aspect of the multiverse. and it a CONCIOUSNESS. part of the collective unconcious. it isnt simpy a magical soul. it exist in the umn. no possible way for kain to even ACCESS it let alone eat it. and obviously you didnt read well enough, "SPACE TIME ANOMOLIES" are giant black holes. re read the part about lost jerusalem and see what happened to it. joshua, the other half of wilhelm's body, fused with xarathustra{an artifact that he posesses} created a space time anomoly as large as the universe in game.

and WHY are you debating this, do you STILL think that kain has a chance?

1. its not because so far nobody has, youve got no points and no evidence so far...

2. yes please

3. great so from that he will be conciousssly destroyed....and as I said bolden the area and general place, ive not read about a "super black hole" what episode is this writing in?

ime debating it because youve not actually shown me anything, as you said before, I want a video, show me the guy doing something, infact mroe importantly point out where it actually says hes powerful.

1- says the narcissit - getting more pathetic by the minute

2- so the wikipedia entry wasnt enough, or cant u read?

3- in your wet dreams maybe. kain will be blinked out of existance along with his universe. "space time anomolie" aka the abyss, are super black holes where the original are was shrunk to plank scale. now go and read th article about lost jerusalem again if u have brains, ull see that wilhelm created the space time anomolie and kept the area safe by shrinking it to plank scale.

your an idiot. thats all im going to say. seriously

Originally posted by leonheartmm
1- says the narcissit - getting more pathetic by the minute

2- so the wikipedia entry wasnt enough, or cant u read?

3- in your wet dreams maybe. kain will be blinked out of existance along with his universe. "space time anomolie" aka the abyss, are super black holes where the original are was shrunk to plank scale. now go and read th article about lost jerusalem again if u have brains, ull see that wilhelm created the space time anomolie and kept the area safe by shrinking it to plank scale.

your an idiot. thats all im going to say. seriously

1. we can all tantrum, but id rather choose not to

2. Straw manning, get some arguments and get a video...

3. As I said bold it out for me from the Wiki article, I cannot find it..its your proof, your cough it up for me please.

You have no idea on LOK, debating in general and cannot even find your own sources, althoguh thats not all ime gonna say, ime going to prob say it several times before you realise.

1- self doubting narcissit

2- no use, u brush everything aside

3- """In preparation for the Eternal Recurrence, Wilhelm arranges for the discovery of the Zohar in the year 2060. The direct interaction between humans and UDO leads to a mass disappearance phenomenon, eventually forcing earth's inhabitants to flee en mass into space. To prevent Earth's total disappearance into imaginary space, Wilhelm compresses the planet to Planck scale dimensions. This gives Wilhelm de facto rulership over all human affairs, as humanity is forced to rely on his Vector Industries' technology to survive.

Before sealing away Earth, Wilhelm moves several relics integral to the process of eternal recurrence to the planet Michtam, and under the alias Heinlein convenes the existence of the Order of the Ormus with funding from Hyams Group.""""""

so u cudnt find it so i did it for you. lost jerusalem was lost to a space time anomoly caused by wilhelm's actions.

your an idiot who talks too much but says too little, and usually, nuthing of worth.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
1- self doubting narcissit

2- no use, u brush everything aside

3- """In preparation for the Eternal Recurrence, Wilhelm arranges for the discovery of the Zohar in the year 2060. The direct interaction between humans and UDO leads to a mass disappearance phenomenon, eventually forcing earth's inhabitants to flee en mass into space. To prevent Earth's total disappearance into imaginary space, Wilhelm compresses the planet to Planck scale dimensions. This gives Wilhelm de facto rulership over all human affairs, as humanity is forced to rely on his Vector Industries' technology to survive.

Before sealing away Earth, Wilhelm moves several relics integral to the process of eternal recurrence to the planet Michtam, and under the alias Heinlein convenes the existence of the Order of the Ormus with funding from Hyams Group.""""""

so u cudnt find it so i did it for you. lost jerusalem was lost to a space time anomoly caused by wilhelm's actions.

your an idiot who talks too much but says too little, and usually, nuthing of worth.

2. I brush all useless points aside because ime too skilled for you to debate against, yet post a video, your still trying to hide from posting one lmao

3. lmao I was supposed to be looking for that? wtf are you thinking....it doesnt say that in there though does it? it doesnt mention anything like it..it simply says it was lost, thats not evidence at all, you suck at finding evidence lmao

2- you brush aside all true things which crush ur fantasy world

3- lmao, just cause u didnt have the intelligence to look for it even when i specifically TOLD you to read the part about lost jerusalem tells us a few thing.

1- ur a moron

2- ur a moron who cant read

3- ur a moron who pretended that hed read the article when he infact hadnt and continued to ask for evidence.

so why shud such a moron be graced with videos?