Originally posted by truejediProve that he can only revive himself in places strong in the darkside.
anakin wins: might have trouble at sion, but i truly doubt it. Sion only does his "restore himself" thing in places imbued by the darkside, so it depends on where the fight takes place.
Provide a fight outside where the darkside is weak and he couldn't revive himself.
Prove it.
Originally posted by truejediFlow Walk alone proves greater raw power, and in a saber duel with Lomi Plo Jacen was stabbed in the stomach saving Mara, puncturing three organs and survived.
prove that caedus was way more powerful than dooku ever was.
... You got me!
Prove that jaina could take him.
prove it....
Nice paraphrase, she that he was not a creature of flesh blood. Also, that it was could not be won.
kreia told the exile that he couldn't kill sion on korriban because the darkside was strong there...
Maul could probably compete with him in a duel on any given day. Throw in Bane's apprentice with her sorcery and formidable raw power, and then follow up with an older and more experienced Skywalker child, and you have one dead man.
Basically, he dies at Jaina. While I believe that he's at least as good a duelist as she is, and likely a fair bit better, she has shown far more mastery of the Force, and doesn't hesitate to use traditionally dark side techniques to her advantage. She tends to fight smart, too, and Anakin doesn't deal well with smart.
Originally posted by DarkSerpent
Prove that he can only revive himself in places strong in the darkside.
Provide a fight outside where the darkside is weak and he couldn't revive himself.
Prove it.
Originally posted by DarkSerpent
Jaina could take him.
Caedus was way more powerful than Dookie ever was.
HOWEVER, her defeat of Caedus does not carry the same weight as Anakin's defeat of Dooku. Caedus was undeniably the stronger sith, but Jaina did not WTFpwn him like Anakin did to Dooku. Also, Anakin was left alone with Dooku, while Jaina had Luke, and a troop of Mandalorians to help her in her respective fights. She never faced Jacen when he was at full strength and ready for her. On a vs. thread, she would be torn to shreds.
originally posted by truejedi
prove that caedus was way more powerful than dooku ever was.
Prove that jaina could take him.
prove it.
Revenge of the Sith Novelization
"The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close."
Anakin clears this, assuming he has rest inbetween.His most difficult battle is going to be either against Maul or Jaina, though.
I agree on every count.
Originally posted by Jbill311Jaina was an inferior swordsman, but a superior duelist. Granted.
HOWEVER, her defeat of Caedus does not carry the same weight as Anakin's defeat of Dooku. Caedus was undeniably the stronger sith, but Jaina did not WTFpwn him like Anakin did to Dooku. Also, Anakin was left alone with Dooku, while Jaina had Luke, and a troop of Mandalorians to help her in her respective fights. She never faced Jacen when he was at full strength and ready for her. On a vs. thread, she would be torn to shreds.
1. Caedus had a broader and more adaptable knowledge of the force, a near immunity to pain, and a Skywalker bloodline. Ignoring what the two did with their knowledge of the DS, (A contest in which Jacen would win also) his attributes imply a victory.
2. Jaina vs. Anakin Skywalker:
Jaina has an applicable force mastery that surpasses the Chosen One's- that is, she can use the force with more skill and mastery, even with Solo and Amidala blood thinning the Skywalker potency.
Anakin probably takes Sabers, due to his formal training and status as
Jaina defeated her brother because he thought he knew what to expect from her. She defeated him, because the first time she shot him in the arm before starting to fight him, and because he was off fighting an image of luke the whole time, and she was still so far down and out that she had to be carried into the ship.
she fought him the second time when he had ONE ARM.
She also stuck a lightsaber all the way through him before THAT duel started. He also didn't try to fight her, he tried to escape to warn allana. And finally, he had every opportunity to kill her when she was landing her final blow on him, and he passed on it. If he had killed her, it would have turned the ridiculously unfair "victory" into a stalemate. Jaina's victory over caedus in NO WAY proves she is a superior duelist to him. She wasn't even close. Mara jade came closer to killing jacen in a fair fight than jaina did, and she AMBUSHED HIM.
Caedus vs. skywalker, maybe its goes to caedus. maybe. But i'd call it a toss-up. And jaina was NOWHERE near Caedus. She gets curbstomped. Smart is good, rage is bad, but still, this is anakin we are talking about, he was maybe the most skilled lightsaber duelist in the order at the time of ROTS (definitly unsubstantiated, but he did make the claim, and NO ONE contradicted him) So he was at least close.
I've already pointed out how far behind caedus jaina was. She doesn't have a chance.
Originally posted by DarkSerpentBecause he himself said so, that on worlds like malachor V he can keep restoring himself and not fall.
Prove that he can only revive himself in places strong in the darkside.
As for the fight, if this was a saber duel, he would risen up the ranks and then may fall to maul, if its all out its likely jaina beats him.
Right off the bat, I have to tell you that my original post came out a little bit jumbled up. I meant everything in number 1 to refer to a comparison between Caedus and Dooku.
Originally posted by truejedi
Jaina defeated her brother because he thought he knew what to expect from her. She defeated him, because the first time she shot him in the arm before starting to fight him, and because he was off fighting an image of luke the whole time, and she was still so far down and out that she had to be carried into the ship.
she fought him the second time when he had ONE ARM.
She also stuck a lightsaber all the way through him before THAT duel started. He also didn't try to fight her, he tried to escape to warn allana. And finally, he had every opportunity to kill her when she was landing her final blow on him, and he passed on it. If he had killed her, it would have turned the ridiculously unfair "victory" into a stalemate. Jaina's victory over caedus in NO WAY proves she is a superior duelist to him. She wasn't even close. Mara jade came closer to killing jacen in a fair fight than jaina did, and she AMBUSHED HIM.
Originally posted by truejedi
Caedus vs. skywalker, maybe its goes to caedus. maybe. But i'd call it a toss-up. And jaina was NOWHERE near Caedus. She gets curbstomped. Smart is good, rage is bad, but still, this is anakin we are talking about, he was maybe the most skilled lightsaber duelist in the order at the time of ROTS (definitly unsubstantiated, but he did make the claim, and NO ONE contradicted him) So he was at least close.
I've already pointed out how far behind caedus jaina was. She doesn't have a chance.
I agree that Caedus was miles beyond Jaina, but I would also call him far beyond Anakin. Anakin has trouble with Obi-Wan, (I know there were extenuating circumstances, but bear with me) and even though he was incredibly powerful, even in normal combat he is very unpredictable, even rash- endangering the lives of many combatants to save one person. Jaina is a very smart fighter, and is skilled enough to capitalize on Anakin's mistakes. She also has superior force mastery, and even with inferior force potential would win the Force battle. In an all out fight I see her edging Anakin out of the running, if only 5/10 times.
Originally posted by Jbill311
Right off the bat, I have to tell you that my original post came out a little bit jumbled up. I meant everything in number 1 to refer to a comparison between Caedus and Dooku.If you read the first part of my post that you quoted, you will find that I actually agree with you. She is not on par with Caedus, and I give examples of how she had advantages over him in their fights. I argued (or meant to) that her defeat of Caedus was not as impressive as Anakin's defeat of Dooku. She takes advantage of situations beyond her target's control. She is an inferior fighter, but a superior duelist.
I agree that Caedus was miles beyond Jaina, but I would also call him far beyond Anakin. Anakin has trouble with Obi-Wan, (I know there were extenuating circumstances, but bear with me) and even though he was incredibly powerful, even in normal combat he is very unpredictable, even rash- endangering the lives of many combatants to save one person. Jaina is a very smart fighter, and is skilled enough to capitalize on Anakin's mistakes. She also has superior force mastery, and even with inferior force potential would win the Force battle. In an all out fight I see her edging Anakin out of the running, if only 5/10 times.
i wasn't disagreeing with you on that first part, i was expounding it a bit for anyone who would disagree with you. I just had a thought. is this anakin skywalker or anakin solo?