Originally posted by HewhoknowsallName dropper. uhuh
If there were a way to test it, I might be willing to bet you a few dollars that you wouldn't have posted this if you hadn't read some other posts that were negative against me and decided to join the bandwagon (cause that's what a lot of people do, hence why Stalin stayed in power in the USSR for so long, and why people thought that the world was flat for so long). I'm also 99% or so sure that you wouldn't have posted this if, say, Galan007 said this. Am I right?With all due respect, your analogy is flawed. You're basically claiming that someone can reattach a head with the same ease that one with Force powers can grab a weapon across a room.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
If there were a way to test it, I might be willing to bet you a few dollars that you wouldn't have posted this if you hadn't read some other posts that were negative against me and decided to join the bandwagon
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I'm also 99% or so sure that you wouldn't have posted this if, say, Galan007 said this. Am I right?
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
With all due respect, your analogy is flawed. You're basically claiming that someone can reattach a head with the same ease that one with Force powers can grab a weapon across a room.
"Inevitably, probability has its day and Sion is struck down. Yet death does not come for Darth Sion, and each centimeter of his failing body comes alive with anguish, multiplying that infinitely distant point of pain one thousandfold until his brain threatens to collapse. Improbably, Sion gets up. And as he locks eyes with his attacker, Sion lets all of his anger for being killed - all the hatred clotting his heart - explode.
Sion finds that keeping his decomposing flesh tethered together with dark side energy is inexplicably painful, and requires endless concentration on the rage that festers inside him - but immortality is immortality[...] Sion embarks on a Jedi-assassination spree, "dying" many more times, but always ending more enemy lives."
Galan's probably already read that or other similar literature on Sion and so would be well enough informed as to never suggest what you did...Sion keeps his body held together with hatred and dark side energies. Yes, he can reattach his head without a problem.
Originally posted by EnyalusWell, I don't know about joining any bandwagons, but I'll grant you you're probably right in this case. For what its worth, I apologize for any prejudices I've already picked up.
Well, you're willing to admit it, which counts for something.
Galan wouldn't have said that. Reason coming below....
Which dodges my question.
Have you played KOTOR II or read its Campaign Guide? If so, you would have understood that that is Sion's niche. He has been "killed" many times. But he's immortal. His hate allows him to keep his body together, no matter how many times he is struck down.
But what if he's decapitated?
"Inevitably, probability has its day and Sion is struck down. Yet death does not come for Darth Sion, and each centimeter of his failing body comes alive with anguish, multiplying that infinitely distant point of pain one thousandfold until his brain threatens to collapse. Improbably, Sion gets up. And as he locks eyes with his attacker, Sion lets all of his anger for being killed - all the hatred clotting his heart - explode.
Sion finds that keeping his decomposing flesh tethered together with dark side energy is inexplicably painful, and requires endless concentration on the rage that festers inside him - but immortality is immortality[...] Sion embarks on a Jedi-assassination spree, "dying" many more times, but always ending more enemy lives."
Galan's probably already read that or other similar literature on Sion and so would be well enough informed as to never suggest what you did...Sion keeps his body held together with hatred and dark side energies. Yes, he can reattach his head without a problem. [/B]
1. This isn't conclusive evidence that Sion could survive a decapitation.
2. Your analogy claimed that Sion could reattach his head with similar ease in which a Jedi can get his lightsaber from across a room. However, your quotes (in addition to failing to prove that Sion can reattach his head) disprove this, as they describe that it is super painful for Sion.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
(Assuming that Bane gets his orbalisks in this case)Sabers: Spite. Bane alone would pose a threat; add in these two and it isn't really a contest. Bane and Sion are pretty much immune to damage and Dooku is no slouch either.
Force: Virtual spite in the other direction. Sidious Force lightning's them.
All out: I'd go for the team if they're smart and blitz Sidious and try and get into a lightsaber duel.
Palpatine melts all three of their sabers.
Dooku and Sion are both gone, and then it's Sidious vs Bane.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
But what if he's decapitated?
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. This isn't conclusive evidence that Sion could survive a decapitation.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
2. Your analogy claimed that Sion could reattach his head with similar ease in which a Jedi can get his lightsaber from across a room. However, your quotes (in addition to failing to prove that Sion can reattach his head) disprove this, as they describe that it is super painful for Sion.
And yes it's painful. That's what ALLOWS Sion his incredible ability. He is the "Lord of Pain." His pain and hatred further his immortality ability.
Originally posted by EnyalusHave other Sith survived being decapitated? (The answer is yes; see Marka Ragnos' rival.)
Yes, but they couldn't reattach their heads (or did they?) and that doesn't mean that Sion can do the same.
How about you prove that Sion will die from being decapitated, when I've proven that typical and repeated death blows...are not death blows where Sion is concerned. I've brought enough evidence for reasonable doubt, IMO.
It's generally assumed that a human being will die from decapitation. It's up to you to prove that Sion is an exception.
Why wouldn't it be that easy? The Force is controlled with the mind. His brain would be intact. And he can hold his body together using dark side energies. He Force Pulls his body together after being decapitated, then holds it together with Dark Side power. Simple as that.And yes it's painful. That's what ALLOWS Sion his incredible ability. He is the "Lord of Pain." His pain and hatred further his immortality ability. [/B]
Generally, pain reduces your ability to think and, based on some evidence, seems to temporarily reduce the ability of Force users to use the Force. In AOTC, Obi Wan struggled to use the Force to get that lightsaber and toss it to Anakin, something that he would normally be able to do with ease. In FOTJ: Abyss, Luke while having not eaten or drunken for weeks had his Force powers diminished. Therefore, it would be difficult for Sion to use his Force powers to get his head back on (if he even can), especially if Sidious tosses it out of the arena.
Oh, and by the way I think that the team would win this fight. I'm just saying that I'm not sure if Sion can survive a decapitation, and if he can how quickly and easily he can come back.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
It's generally assumed that a human being will die from decapitation. It's up to you to prove that Sion is an exception.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Generally, pain reduces your ability to think and, based on some evidence, seems to temporarily reduce the ability of Force users to use the Force.
If you don't have anything else to contribute, I'm done.
Originally posted by EnyalusI just ****ing proved that Sion doesn't die in trauma that a human being would die from. Read the damn quote.
Yes, I read the quote. If Sidious stabs Sion in the chest then maybe Sion won't die. But if Sidious decapitates Sion (from which it would be scientifically impossible for a normal human without any sort of super advanced/super natural aid to survive for more than a few moments) and Force hurls his head out of the arena, then will Sion have enough energy to somehow get out of the Geonosis arena and put it back on? By the time he does (if he does), his team may already have won though.
The Lord of Pain is obviously different, as I've already shown.
If you don't have anything else to contribute, I'm done. [/B]
Pain may have less of an effect on him, but Sion isn't immune to pain.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
But if Sidious decapitates Sion... etc
Sion found that he could hold his own decomposing body together with the dark side of the Force.
If he is decapitated, that part of his body starts to decompose. Therefore, Sion cannot be decapitated. You lose.
Pain may have less of an effect on him, but Sion isn't immune to pain.
He chose to embody his pain rather than tolerate it as a normal part of existence, turning it into something far greater. Sion fed upon his pain for sustenance...
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