Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosMeh, it may make you feel safe, which is something. It may even scare someone away that thought you were an easy target, which is good, too. And if someone actually should try to kill you at least it improves your odds a bit.
Unless you have some level of skill a knife won't help you much in terms of defending yourself. It's also fairly (read utterly) useless against someone with any sort of modern weapon.
I agree though, it is probably better if you take a handgun instead of a knife. Obviously you should always consider whether to draw a weapon on someone as it can have adverse effects.
But, my point is, the police isn't there for your constantly, it can't be, and it is reasonable that you want to protect yourself.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Meh, it may make you feel safe, which is something.
Yeah, it makes you more likely to do something really stupid and hurt someone or get killed yourself.
Originally posted by Bardock42
It may even scare someone away that thought you were an easy target, which is good, too. And if someone actually should try to kill you at least it improves your odds a bit.
A knife only improves your odds against any other sort of weapon if your Captain America. Short reach, almost impossible to throw, not good for parrying. Knifes don't improve your ability to defend yourself, they just make it so you can do more damage unless you have a high degree of formal training.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree though, it is probably better if you take a handgun instead of a knife. Obviously you should always consider whether to draw a weapon on someone as it can have adverse effects.
So you'd rather have people walk around with a device that his hard to aim and capable of killing someone totally innocent if you miss?
Originally posted by Bardock42
But, my point is, the police isn't there for your constantly, it can't be, and it is reasonable that you want to protect yourself.
So have people walk around with swords and teach people how to use them in highschool. They're better for defending yourself, obvious enough not to be suspicious, won't kill any but the stupidest bystanders and can be menacing without the need to use them. Leave guns and knives to people who go out and take the time to know what they're doing rather than people who want a completely false sense of security and power.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yeah, it makes you more likely to do something really stupid and hurt someone or get killed yourself.
If you are an idiot, maybe...I do feel pretty safe that I can assess a situation correctly...
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A knife only improves your odds against any other sort of weapon if your Captain America. Short reach, almost impossible to throw, not good for parrying. Knifes don't improve your ability to defend yourself, they just make it so you can do more damage unless you have a high degree of formal training.
And improving your damage means nothing in a fight?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you'd rather have people walk around with a device that his hard to aim and capable of killing someone totally innocent if you miss?
Yeah. If they want to, pretty much.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So have people walk around with swords and teach people how to use them in highschool. They're better for defending yourself, obvious enough not to be suspicious, won't kill any but the stupidest bystanders and can be menacing without the need to use them. Leave guns and knives to people who go out and take the time to know what they're doing rather than people who want a completely false sense of security and power.
Why not teach them to use guns then? They are not as hard to use and you can use faster. Also more compact. And precise. But again, if they want to carry swords they can be my guest, too. But, honestly a knife probably helps you better in modern situations.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Unless you have some level of skill a knife won't help you much in terms of defending yourself. It's also fairly (read utterly) useless against someone with any sort of modern weapon.
Brock Samson disagrees.
A knife can act as a deterrent (defense), a mugger or road-raged ahole might think twice about stepping up if you flash a blade.
Originally posted by Bardock42
If you are an idiot, maybe...I do feel pretty safe that I can assess a situation correctly...
And you think most people will be able to make those same "correct" decisions consistently? Not to mention, you aren't really qualified to assess you ability to make choices.
Originally posted by Bardock42
And improving your damage means nothing in a fight?
Not if the argument is that they need to defend themselves.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah. If they want to, pretty much.
I'd rather not get shot by a hysterical idiot who wanted a gun.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Why not teach them to use guns then? They are not as hard to use and you can use faster. Also more compact. And precise.
Being able to use a weapon quickly is an invitation for thoughtless, reactionary use. Compactness makes the weapon suspicious to be found on one's person since if you're trying to defend yourself you shouldn't need to hide your defenses. Guns are far less precise that a sword and have no chance of hitting a bystander unless they're stupid enough to walk in front of you.
No matter how much you try to twist it knives and guns are not a form of self defense. If you want to argue that people should be allowed to walk around with lethal concealed weapons, be my guest but don't insult my intelligence by saying that they're going to defend you or that they're for safety. Actual safety comes from having a way to defend yourself not from having a way to retaliate. The idiots that are so paranoid about needing a gun should go out and purchase body armor.
Originally posted by Bardock42
But, honestly a knife probably helps you better in modern situations.
You do realize that a knife is a very short range weapon, right?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And you think most people will be able to make those same "correct" decisions consistently? Not to mention, you aren't really qualified to assess you ability to make choices.
Meh, better qualified than some twats at the government.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not if the argument is that they need to defend themselves.
Actually, I think it does. If you can protect yourself in one hit instead of three you got a better chance of survival.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'd rather not get shot by a hysterical idiot who wanted a gun.
Yeah, I'd rather have the choice of whether i want to protect myself when some ******* tries to kill me though.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Being able to use a weapon quickly is an invitation for thoughtless, reactionary use. Compactness makes the weapon suspicious to be found on one's person since if you're trying to defend yourself you shouldn't need to hide your defenses. Guns are far less precise that a sword and have no chance of hitting a bystander unless they're stupid enough to walk in front of you.
Well, we assess weapons differently I guess.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No matter how much you try to twist it knives and guns are not a form of self defense. If you want to argue that people should be allowed to walk around with lethal concealed weapons, be my guest but don't insult my intelligence by saying that they're going to defend you or that they're for safety. Actual safety comes from having a way to defend yourself not from having a way to retaliate. The idiots that are so paranoid about needing a gun should go out and purchase body armor.
Err, they obviously are a form of self denfense. Don't even have to argue that, is just fact.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You do realize that a knife is a very short range weapon, right?
You do realize that swords are heavy, hard to wield and slow to draw and impossible to conceal, right?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Meh, better qualified than some twats at the government.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that until it feels true.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually, I think it does. If you can protect yourself in one hit instead of three you got a better chance of survival.
Until the guy realizes that you might be dangerous and kills you instead of robbing you.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, I'd rather have the choice of whether i want to protect myself when some ******* tries to kill me though.
And you can, just don't infringe on my right not to get shot. Wear body armor and carry a heavy cane, then **** off.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, we assess weapons differently I guess.
Perhaps, but my approach doesn't involve making stuff up.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Err, they obviously are a form of self denfense. Don't even have to argue that, is just fact.
The moment you fall into the idiotic mentality that the best defense is a good offense there's no point in asking you to be rational about self defense.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You do realize that swords are heavy, hard to wield and slow to draw and impossible to conceal, right?
If you're not doing anything wrong why do you need to conceal a weapon?
I haven't been following this thread for a bit, so I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned...
But out of curiosity, how exactly would an anarchist society cope with the string of financial collapses that have recently occurred - which are themselves in some corners thought to be a result of fervent deregulation. Where would the hundreds of billions of dollars in liquidity come from to rescue these institutions; or would their failure - and the ensuing inevitable economic fallout - simply be allowed to occur?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I haven't been following this thread for a bit, so I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned...But out of curiosity, how exactly would an anarchist society cope with the string of financial collapses that have recently occurred - which are themselves in some corners thought to be a result of fervent deregulation. Where would the hundreds of billions of dollars in liquidity come from to rescue these institutions; or would their failure - and the ensuing inevitable economic fallout - simply be allowed to occur?
Either a) donations or b) it wouldn't happen in the first place.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yeah, keep telling yourself that until it feels true.
Done.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Until the guy realizes that you might be dangerous and kills you instead of robbing you.
Because if you just attack him with your hands he'll say "Oh my, that guy is mighty brave, I will not use my weapon to kill him and instead use only non-lethal attacks. Don't be silly.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And you can, just don't infringe on my right not to get shot. Wear body armor and carry a heavy cane, then **** off.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Perhaps, but my approach doesn't involve making stuff up.
Hahaha. Yeah, it pretty much does.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The moment you fall into the idiotic mentality that the best defense is a good offense there's no point in asking you to be rational about self defense.
I didn't say it's the best defense. I said it is "a defense"...which it is. Again, you being a tard.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If you're not doing anything wrong why do you need to conceal a weapon?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Until the guy realizes that you might be dangerous and kills you instead of robbing you.
Heh, thought I'd scared you off 😛
Originally posted by Bardock42
Because if you just attack him with your hands he'll say "Oh my, that guy is mighty brave, I will not use my weapon to kill him and instead use only non-lethal attacks. Don't be silly.
No, it actually more like:
"Holy shit he's got a knife and might kill me!" BANG
Rather than:
"Give me the money and I won't hurt you."
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't infringe on your right to not get shot. It's still there. It doesn't include banning all firearms though. That's secondary and no right of yours
By directly making yourself a threat to it, yes you do. I didn't say we should ban all firearms, I said people shouldn't be given the unrestricted right to simply walk around with them concealed and that the argument they're being carried for defense insults the intelligence of any rational person.
If someone wants to carry around a weapon they should have to prove a certain level of competence with it as well as a good degree of responsibility. Letting John Q Public go buy a gun because he's scared or because he wants to go kill someone isn't a good idea by any stretch.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I didn't say it's the best defense. I said it is "a defense"...which it is. Again, you being a tard.
It's not a defense, it's a way of making yourself feel safe while actually becoming a threat to those around you. A defense would actually protect you from harm. A defense would be body armor.
Oh, can't quote the last part but you have a somewhat valid point there.