Thanos vs Sun Dipped Superman-Orion w/Astrol Harness

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Well if using random feats without explaining how they apply is a new debating style then

Can supes create a block of pure force?

Originally posted by Rorschach
Superman moves a planet while sun-dipped. Brainiac 13 attempts to stop him by using all the energy at his disposal but fails

Witness the power of a god. Once again, what is Thanos compared to that? Superman moved Warworld, a planet with FTL engines, that was firing against him. He tanked Entropy, the most destructive force in the DCU. Brainiac 13 with the power of Imperiex Prime could not stop him from moving Warworld.

You have grossly underestimated Superman. This isn't regular Superman. This is sundipped, which is short-hand for Pre-crisis.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Witness the power of a god. Once again, what is Thanos compared to that? Superman moved Warworld, a planet with FTL engines, that was firing against him. He tanked Entropy, the most destructive force in the DCU. Brainiac 13 with the power of Imperiex Prime could not stop him from moving Warworld.

You have grossly underestimated Superman. This isn't regular Superman. This is sundipped, which is short-hand for Pre-crisis.

Thanos compared to the power of a god? Well he did pretty well against the All father Odin. Still fighting after taking all of Odins best attacks. So id say he up there with the best of the "gods"

And while id give supes mad props for that strength feat, there are many more dimensions to a fight than strength. In those departments thanos has him beat.

Random( even if they are off the scale) strength feats, dont prove that supes beats thanos.

Except supes is stronger and faster and more durable by a huge factor,thats enough to say thanos wont be winning.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Except supes is stronger and faster and more durable by a huge factor,thats enough to say thanos wont be winning.

Stronger? For sure. Faster? For sure. More durable? Nah. Overall power output? Nah. More versatile? Nah. Intelligence? Nah.

Thats enough IMO to say that thanos will be winning.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Except supes is stronger and faster and more durable by a huge factor,thats enough to say thanos wont be winning.

Thanos can steal Superman life force, Thanos has tag the Silver Surfer who is 100x faster than Superman, speed blitz is not in equation 😬. Thanos as Eternal has other powers besides brute strength where as a Eternal he can amp at will, Thanos other powers Telekinesis, Telepathy, illusions, pisonic powers, matter manipulation, teleportation, physic blast, life force absorption, energy absorption, manipulate all forms of energy, one of the smartest beings in the universe. Thanos beats team quite easily.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Thanos compared to the power of a god? Well he did pretty well against the All father Odin. Still fighting after taking all of Odins best attacks. So id say he up there with the best of the "gods"

And while id give supes mad props for that strength feat, there are many more dimensions to a fight than strength. In those departments thanos has him beat.

Random( even if they are off the scale) strength feats, dont prove that supes beats thanos.

Just having one feat where Thanos fought a god (Odin) doesn't prove that Thanos beats Supes. Superman has faced gods too, more than once at that, and is always fighting against godly characters. Thanos is already at a disadvantage for not having speed to keep up and without any prep he's pretty much screwed.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Stronger? For sure. Faster? For sure. More durable? Nah. Overall power output? Nah. More versatile? Nah. Intelligence? Nah.

Thats enough IMO to say that thanos will be winning.

Superman took a Supernova and a double black hole. What the heck has Thanos taken that tops that? Nothing so far. So you can't just ignore his durability feats like he hasn't taken damage on a comparable level. Superman is faster. How can Thanos catch him? Superman is a superhero, he doesn't stand behind close doors preping every freaking minute like Thanos, so who's more intelligent is debatable. How is Thanos more versatile? Besides shooting energy blasts, what gives him an advantage over Supes? Superman can fly. Thanos can't. Superman has increased senses. Thanos doesn't. Superman has superspeed. Thanos speed is below peak human since he can't deal with characters speed like CA and SM.

The team takes this.

Originally posted by dvampire
Just having one feat where Thanos fought a god (Odin) doesn't prove that Thanos beats Supes. Superman has faced gods too, more than once at that, and is always fighting against godly characters. Thanos is already at a disadvantage for not having speed to keep up and without any prep he's pretty much screwed.

And i never said it did, I only brought it up because of the comment someone made.. However Regular supes has been established throughout his comic history as being a top tier. Yes he may have some feats where he takes on godly type characters but i seriously doubt he has any where he is able to take the all out shots from a non jobbing high level skyfather and in turn put up a hell of a fight. Superman just is not at that level.. I understand the speed difference but in truth, most of supermans actual speedblitz feats are ambiguous and the few that are not certainly do not show him being able to speedblitz at levels that would prove highly detrimental to thanos. Hence in this instance we are talking about sundipped supes which makes this a match. In the end though thanos intelligence and vast array of abilities will take the day.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Stronger? For sure. Faster? For sure. More durable? Nah. Overall power output? Nah. More versatile? Nah. Intelligence? Nah.

Thats enough IMO to say that thanos will be winning.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
And i never said it did, I only brought it up because of the comment someone made.. However Regular supes has been established throughout his comic history as being a top tier. Yes he may have some feats where he takes on godly type characters but i seriously doubt he has any where he is able to take the all out shots from a non jobbing high level skyfather and in turn put up a hell of a fight. Superman just is not at that level.. I understand the speed difference but in truth, most of supermans actual speedblitz feats are ambiguous and the few that are not certainly do not show him being able to speedblitz at levels that would prove highly detrimental to thanos. Hence in this instance we are talking about sundipped supes which makes this a match. In the end though thanos intelligence and vast array of abilities will take the day.

That's some BS fantasy people want to keep him as. Judging by his feats alone, it puts him up their with Thanos. And with his powers and the advantages he has over Thanos, there's no way Thanos will take the majority IMO. Like I said, Supes has fought characters with comparable strength. He stood up to Odin, but he did nothing to Odin. Just because he survive a butt kicking from a god doesn't make him above other characters. Supermans has also survived and taken blows from characters waay out of his league, that doesn't mean he can't be beaten by others characters that are on or close to his level.

And Supermans speed will be an advantage against Thanos, since Thanos has none at all. Superman recently speedblitzed Ultraman and Superwoman both who are way faster than Thanos. Superman has actually speedblitzed characters with Superman speed, while Thanos barely tag people at peak human level. Superman only gets hit by Thanos if you cut his speed dramatically.

Originally posted by dvampire
Superman took a Supernova and a double black hole. What the heck has Thanos taken that tops that? Nothing so far. So you can't just ignore his durability feats like he hasn't taken damage on a comparable level. Superman is faster. How can Thanos catch him? Superman is a superhero, he doesn't stand behind close doors preping every freaking minute like Thanos, so who's more intelligent is debatable. How is Thanos more versatile? Besides shooting energy blasts, what gives him an advantage over Supes? Superman can fly. Thanos can't. Superman has increased senses. Thanos doesn't. Superman has superspeed. Thanos speed is below peak human since he can't deal with characters speed like CA and SM.

The team takes this.

Are u joking? A supernova and a double blackhole? Even the silver surfer who is far belwo thanos in nearly every department has survived supernovas and fought inside of blackholes. the silver surfer also has the an enrgy output enough to create multiple blackholes and yet thanos has taken his full power blasts on numerous occassions without even flinching. Thanos took an onsluaght of attacks from an all out Odin channeling his power through gungir. Thanos has taken the best from high level beings like Tyrant and the maker. And im talking without his forcefields which the BIg G himself said he found hard to penetrate Also intelligence is NOT debatable. If u insist we can go into feats but i doubt u wud want to go there.

How is thanos more versatile? Well FYI thanos can levitate, Teleport himslef, teleport others, Absorb huge amounts of enrgy,Absorb life force, Create forcefields around himself and others, manipulate various types of enrgy, manipulate matter, has telikenisis,high level telepathy, control of his molecular structure so he can amp his physical stats at will.etc. Id say he is more versatile for sure wouldnt u?

Tanking Entropy puts his durability on skyfather or over. Thanos has never put out that kind of power. He tanked Imperiex Prime, B-13, and B-13 using Warworld, which was powered by Imperiex. There's your durability.

Versatility means jack shit when you're too powerful for anything the opponent does. Nor does intelligence when your speed is several times greater. He can one-shot Thanos in that state.

I don't think most of you get just how rediculous that feat is.

If Silver Surfer amped himself to be able to stop Taa II with Galactus putting all his power into the engines, it maybe, maybe, might come close to what Superman did.

Originally posted by dvampire
That's some BS fantasy people want to keep him as. Judging by his feats alone, it puts him up their with Thanos. And with his powers and the advantages he has over Thanos, there's no way Thanos will take the majority IMO. Like I said, Supes has fought characters with comparable strength. He stood up to Odin, but he did nothing to Odin. Just because he survive a butt kicking from a god doesn't make him above other characters. Supermans has also survived and taken blows from characters waay out of his league, that doesn't mean he can't be beaten by others characters that are on or close to his level.

And Supermans speed will be an advantage against Thanos, since Thanos has none at all. Superman recently speedblitzed Ultraman and Superwoman both who are way faster than Thanos. Superman has actually speedblitzed characters with Superman speed, while Thanos barely tag people at peak human level. Superman only gets hit by Thanos if you cut his speed dramatically.

Thanos did not do " nothing" to Odin. He took Odins blasts which one shotted SS and dished out some of his own. Odin was seen covering his face which is a defensive manoevre after receving one of thanos blasts so its not like Odin was not bothered. Thanos blasts have also dropped galactus on his ass. As i said i doubt superman has been able to go toe to toe and hold his own against a non jobbing high level skyfather before. A character who is considered by most to be above superman was one shotted by Odin so that shud give u an idea of where thanos" level" actually is. The only one having BS fantasies is u.

Also ur double standard is superb. We know that superman gets hit by slow characters all the time and yet u choose to ignore those instances. Meanwhile for thanos who tags faster than light characters such as SS and fallen one we choose to use his low feats.
The thing is for us to determine whether superman speed will be too much for thanos u wud need to show me an instance superman attacking a being at a speed superior to what thanos has bin shown to react to. The thing is both thanos feats and supermans feats are ambiguous hence this cant be done.

Frankly all this is irrelevant because it is not regular supes vs thanos that we are arguing but instead sundipped supes as aside u not many think regular supes can take thanos. But since this is sundipped supes granted, it will be a much better fight. In the past ive backed sundipped supes alone against thanos but recently ive come to think otherwise. IMO thanos versatility and power output gives him the win eventually.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Tanking Entropy puts his durability on skyfather or over. Thanos has never put out that kind of power. He tanked Imperiex Prime, B-13, and B-13 using Warworld, which was powered by Imperiex. There's your durability.

Versatility means jack shit when you're too powerful for anything the opponent does. Nor does intelligence when your speed is several times greater. He can one-shot Thanos in that state.

I don't think most of you get just how rediculous that feat is.

If Silver Surfer amped himself to be able to stop Taa II with Galactus putting all his power into the engines, it maybe, maybe, might come close to what Superman did.

Dude ive got no problem wit u saying sundipped supes wins( though he wont be one shotting thanos). Really im mostly addressing those who are insinuating that regular supes can take thanos.

But to get back on topic, I believe thanos durability is skyfather level already. His ultra powerful forcefields make it even harder to hurt him. Also thanos has some insane blasts feats so i do think he will be hurtin superman. He is also an enrgy absorber which wud also give him a gud advanatage in this fight.

Infinite energy didnt hurt that superman thanos blasts wont hurt him either how many times does that have to be said.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Infinite energy didnt hurt that superman thanos blasts wont hurt him either how many times does that have to be said.

Really that logic is just laughable. Using that blasts from the Celestials and galactus probabaly wont even phase him as well. The concept of "infinite energy" is completely ambiguous.

The energy of imperiex was quite litterally in naration called infinite there is nothing to laugh about or hyperbole or anything,its not like you need anywhere close to even to universal destroying power to not get hurt by thanos anyways.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
The energy of imperiex was quite litterally in naration called infinite there is nothing to laugh about or hyperbole or anything,its not like you need anywhere close to even to universal destroying power to not get hurt by thanos anyways.

Yes im sure it was but the fact remains that "infinite" is a very ambiguous term. Heck even the maker a cube being( as are most cube being) was described as having infinte power. Frankly ur "infinite energy" example is completely ambiguous. Galactus has bin described as having" infinite enrgy" and yet has bin rocked by thanos and found it hard to break thanos forcefield.

As i said earlier using ur logic blasts from galactus or the celestials wud hardly phase supes.

This supes as described by his writer had no limits to his power so who knows according to his writer maybe he could take celestials on,the infinite they are using is the same infinite when talking about the big bang that created all of dc...so im going to go with it being slightly more infinite then just a cube being or something,imperiex energy is afterall entropy the all consuming destructive force that shreds down every piece of matter in existence and has already ended all reality before,also thanos has never fought a galactus who actually had infinite power(absorbing his ship or w/e)only a galactus of unknown strength who easily owned thanos.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
This supes as described by his writer had no limits to his power so who knows according to his writer maybe he could take celestials on,the infinite they are using is the same infinite when talking about the big bang that created all of dc...so im going to go with it being slightly more infinite then just a cube being or something,imperiex energy is afterall entropy the all consuming destructive force that shreds down every piece of matter in existence and has already ended all reality before,also thanos has never fought a galactus who actually had infinite power(absorbing his ship or w/e)only a galactus of unknown strength who easily owned thanos.

Really lets not get foolish. A flying super superstrong man with heatvision is not taking ANY celestial EVER regardless of what the writer says. The fact is that while the feat is greatt. Simply describing it as surviving "infinite energy" and making conclusions is nonsense. Thanos has survived an attack from the IG and that gives u "infinite power" in the real sense of the word. Howver i wont just say that he survived " infinite power" and jump to conclusions. Heck going by Tricks analysis he was skyfather level and if a skyfather level being can take" infinite energy" without being phased then it makes u wonder what the hell "infinite" really means.