Darkseid w/ ALE Vs Abraxas

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
He did not display power in that issue anywhere near what Thanos did.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
You mean besides cutting into entirely different realities as a side effect?or how about the anti-life entity who according so someone with the power to end a universe with only a whisper has infinite power and that power was considered completelly nothing compared to the might that darkseid had,darkseid had not only hundreds of thousands of new gods whos powers were amplified 10 times over he also had the powers of the guy who created the new gods+the universe which houses all mortal universes and did so while at a severely diminished state of power,sorry but DOTNG darkseid was at the very least Thanos with ig equal.

Okay your going to need to prove those with scans because I think your making allot of things seem more impressive the they are.

Go read it yourself Im not taking the time to post dozens of scans from 3 entirely different series(at the very least to understand the sources power)plus several other supplementary scans about the new gods,death of the new gods and cosmic odyssey will give you a good idea of how strong darkseid was in DOTNG.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Okay your going to need to prove those with scans because I think your making allot of things seem more impressive the they are.

Originally posted by Galan007
The ALE/Source amalgam vs. Darkseid, (empowered by the cumulative New God energy):

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds1-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds2-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds3-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds4-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds5-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds6-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds7.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds8.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds9.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds10.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds11.jpg

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We find that the ALE/Source was responsible for the 'return' of Orion:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds12.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds13.jpg

Okay, there is an easy way to do this, show me that the DOTNG Darkseid has total mastery over:
1)Soul
2)Mind
3)Space
4)Reality
5)Time
6)Power

And then I will agree with you.

We are supposed to use the most current form of the character, correct? Darkseid is being portrayed as a multiversal monster (according to Grant Morrison) and is on par with Thanos w/ the IG.

Originally posted by tsscls
We are supposed to use the most current form of the character, correct? Darkseid is being portrayed as a multiversal monster (according to Grant Morrison) and is on par with Thanos w/ the IG.

After seeing Grant Morrisons work I'm not willing to take anything he says at face value. I told you the IG gives it's bearer mastery over the 6 categories I listed, prove that the ALE does the same.

And it was my understanding that this Darkseid was equal to Galactus who I would put under Abraxas.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Okay, there is an easy way to do this, show me that the DOTNG Darkseid has total mastery over:
1)Soul
2)Mind
3)Space
4)Reality
5)Time
6)Power

And then I will agree with you.

Soul/Mind Control over heroes/villans making them do his bidding without question.
Space/Reality Fell through the Multiverse collapsing it as he went (according to GM)
Time See above Time is linked to Space.
Power He beat the unified Source.
I'll add an extra one, he has intelligence, cunning and prepartion skills to accomplish all of these tasks. See chess game with Solomon the Monitor.

I'll agree that Darkseid has been a complete ***** over the past several years, but he has regained his spot as the top threat in the DCU in the past several months. Love him or hate him, Darkseid is the man. Thanos should watch his back.

Originally posted by tsscls Soul/Mind Control over heroes/villans making them do his bidding without question.

Space/Reality Fell through the Multiverse collapsing it as he went (according to GM)

Time See above Time is linked to Space.

Power He beat the unified Source.

And the 7th gem isn't intelligence, it's Ego.

ORION WAS POWERED BY THE SOURCE AND DESTINED TO KILL HIS FATHER JESUS CHRIST HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO BE SAID,ORION WAS USING DARKSEIDS OWN ENERGY AND THE SOURCES TO MATCH DARKSEID READ THE FREAKING COMIC,are you honestly this dense?darkseid doesnt have to complete control over mind or space when he has enough raw power to obliterate everything.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
ORION WAS POWERED BY THE SOURCE AND DESTINED TO KILL HIS FATHER JESUS CHRIST HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO BE SAID,ORION WAS USING DARKSEIDS OWN ENERGY AND THE SOURCES TO MATCH DARKSEID READ THE FREAKING COMIC.

I did I have it on my comp which is where I go the source pic for my other thread.

But if he had complete mastery over power, then Orion couldn't use it against him. That shows that his mastery was divided, not complete.

And if thanos had limitless power the lt couldnt break the freaking gauntlet apart jesus just stop it already,it was destined to happen most likely by freaking god himself thats why it happened.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
And if thanos had limitless power the lt couldnt break the freaking gauntlet apart jesus

Warlock was able to do that due to his deep connection to the Soul Gem.

What's to stop Abraxas from killing Darkseid before he uses the ALE on him? That equation is loooooonnnnnnggggggg.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
That's mind and not soul, and there have been people who resisted.
who?

That's space, not reality.
Time/Space=Reality

Give proof of that.
Ask Stephen Hawkins

And Orion kicked his ass, he did not have COMPLETE mastery over it.
I was under the impression that this was part of Darkseid's plan.

And the 7th gem isn't intelligence, it's Ego.

BTW, this is an excellent discussion we're all having here. Points and counterpoints are flowing and there seems to be no ill-will or disrespect. Let's keep this going.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What's to stop Abraxas from killing Darkseid before he uses the ALE on him? That equation is loooooonnnnnnggggggg.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What's to stop Abraxas from killing Darkseid before he uses the ALE on him? That equation is loooooonnnnnnggggggg.

People who claim Superman and Orion were giving DS trouble in DOTNG are not accurate.

DS was channeling the power of the source, yes the source itself, the only reason DS was stopped was due to Orion who had the same access to the source that DS did.

Orion proved to be the more powerful of the two in combat and in being able to channel the power of the source.

The ALE is from the Anti life entity, which is the other half of the Source itself.

It was after all of this fighting, that the ALE and source combined back into one entity.

Well, the only way to get rid of Abraxas is to erase reality and recreate it.

Soooooooo Abraxas wins.

And the source can easily erase reality.