AIG (AMERICAN GENERAL)

Started by jaden1013 pages

looking into some of the practices that caused this economic downfall it's actually amazing how share dealers get away with it.

short selling: when traders sell large amounts of stocks and shares that they dont even own in order to drive down the price so they then buy them at the lower price then advise the people they sold the shares to to sell then skim the profits made.

it's apparently a hedge fund speciality...although in order to benefit from a hedge fund you need to be able to put in usually upwards of a million bucks just to get in...basically it ends up as a way for the people who work in the stock market to up their already huge incomes by dealing on the side and taking all the largest profits for themselves....then when it all goes pear shaped, the companies they are investing for take the hit...ie the normal investments that most peoples pensions and savings are tied up in.

Err...

Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac happened like a fortnight ago. Bear Stearns was bought up by JPMorgan Chase months ago in a Fed-engineered deal iirc. IndyMac was seized in July by the FDIC. (So I'm not sure why people aren't aware of these three financial failures already. Or why the AIG buy out deserves it's own thread - it's not the first, and I frankly don't think it will be the last.)

Merill Lynch was expected to go under too, I believe, save for the buy out by BofA, which was suspected of being Fed-engineered; but there was apparently "no pressure." And Lehman Brothers was allowed to fail.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If the government bails out AIG would they then have control over the company?
The $85 billion bail out loan gives the Fed an 80% stake in AIG.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Err...

Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac happened like a fortnight ago. Bear Stearns was bought up by JPMorgan Chase months ago in a Fed-engineered deal iirc. IndyMac was seized in July by the FDIC. (So I'm not sure why people aren't aware of these three financial failures already. Or why the AIG buy out deserves it's own thread - it's not the first, and I frankly don't think it will be the last.)

Merill Lynch was expected to go under too, I believe, save for the buy out by BofA, which was suspected of being Fed-engineered; but there was apparently "no pressure." And Lehman Brothers was allowed to fail.
The $85 billion bail out loan gives the Fed an 80% stake in AIG.

If you had been paying into AIG as long as I have you wouldnt ask why it deserved its own thread..lol

Damn, this morning i just heard that Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan are the last 2 major financial investment bank companies left and that the U.S. gov't cannot afford another foul up and thus will not bailout any of the 2 should they fail.

I also heard that the AIG bailout was a good thing because not assisting AIG would've meant the collapse of dozens of smaller firms around the country that deals with other peoples investment equating to an even deeper crisis.

And Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac got into the trouble they got into cause of greed. That they abused their lending powered privileges since they were able borrow at lower interest rates than their competitors. They had a field day with the borrow privaledge they had until the weight of their greed caved in on them. By giving loans to people with no down payment and bad credit. How idiotic.

My student loan is/was Fanny Mae...

Originally posted by KidRock
Well what have we learned kids? Thats right, dont give out mortgages to people with a shitty credit history and record of ****ing up.

You know what the sad thing is? I read online that the majority of these people that defaulted on their mortgage were black or minority, and I heard some black person blaming white people for causing it all because instead of giving the minorities regular mortgages they were racist and made them get sub prime loans.

Hilarious.

It isn't that cut and dry, Badass.

Mortgage companies where handing out loans left-and-right to people they knew would default during the housing boom, for the sole purpose of making a fast dollar. Banks used to handle it, so in their best interest, they would screen each applicant with a fine-toothed comb before they gave out a loan, they didn't take risks, generally.

You can blame the people who took a loan that was well above their means, and you'd be (partially) right in doing so. But if someone feed you a line of shit and then said "just sign here and you'll own your own home", while they knew for a fact you couldn't afford it once the interest flipped, who's fault is it really?

In the end, the mortgage companies who were duping the foolish loan takers screwed us all, the American taxpayer.

Originally posted by Robtard
It isn't that cut and dry, Badass.

Mortgage companies where handing out loans left-and-right to people they knew would default during the housing boom, for the sole purpose of making a fast dollar. Banks used to handle it, so in their best interest, they would screen each applicant with a fine-toothed comb before they gave out a loan, they didn't take risks, generally.

You can blame the people who took a loan that was well above their means, and you'd be (partially) right in doing so. But if someone feed you a line of shit and then said "just sign here and you'll own your own home", while they knew for a fact you couldn't afford it once the interest flipped, who's fault is it really?

In the end, the mortgage companies who were duping the foolish loan takers screwed us all, the American taxpayer.

My sentiments. I haven't any pity for either group, either. Both the lenders and borrowers. For being blind with greed. But when you say "the American taxpayer" i don't see how we'd be severely effected by it. I mean, don't corporations pay the most taxes out of any single entity in the country, loopholes and corporate welfare bennies included.

If anything, they're mostly using up they're own taxes they paid into the system.

Nevermind i got my answer here. (sort of)

"How bailouts could end up costing taxpayers: Bailout reality check: Taxpayer exposure"

cnnmoney.com

the sub prime lending is no longer the issue though...it was the trigger to start it all...but now its aggresive traders fabricating rumour and speculation about companies which are then buckling under the scrutiny which then forces massive collapses in share price...which the traders then grab up and sell on when the markets rally

while everyone who has a vested interest in the banks (ie any share holders or people with savings/mortages etc) get ****ed over because they simply dont have the ability to buy and sell their investments quickly enough...

to put it simply

you put money into a pension or a savings account in a bank...they invest the money in usually long term solid companies that give small returns but mount up to large profits...they pay you your minute interest and keep the rest as their profits

occassionally investors in those companies will invest in high risk/high reward investments and most of the time they pull it off

the share price stays high and everyone wins

then a bank...in order to keep making money at a good rate, begins to lend money to people which aren't safe to lend to...now this isn't a problem when only a small % of the people default...as the banks repossess the house and sell it on thus recouping their money...but when a rise in interest rates and inflation due to other prices...ie oil price and raw material prices...the people then default on their loans in large numbers

this causes problems in the credit stream...people cant pay the banks...the banks cant pay their creditors (other bigger banks) and so the big banks then lend less to the small banks....which means all banks have to lend to people for mortages...and the whole housing market stagnates causing more economic problem

this is all happened up until this week

now comes what's happening now

stock traders see the weak position of banks and begin to short trade on them...they sell huge amounts of stock that they dont actually own in the banks...and then begin speculation that the stock price is going down by effectively lieing about the predicaments the banks are in....this causes the share price to plummet even further...the traders then invest in shares in the banks...and also in solid heavyweight shares such as mining companies and gold...this then rallies the market...increases overall share price a little...then they sell off the shares and skim off massive profits

this is usually hedge fund investors...which are usually pools of the investors own money as well as other rich business men...this is because to invest in a hedge fund you usually need to invest upwards of a £1,000,000...some even opertate a minimum of £100,000,000...so we're talking about the uber rich getting even richer while the banks they have speculated on all but collapse making normal peoples pension funds obliterated

the investors know that the government cant allow huge banks to go to the wall so they prop them up with money from the government

this means the government has to borrow money...and they borrow it from the big banks...which is where all the hedge fund managers keep their money....and so those banks do a roaring trade by making huge amounts of money in interest from loans to the government

Bankrupted America will soon be in a theater near you.

Meaning this will soon effect you.

don't reeeaally think the 2nd line was all that neccessary there

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread392616/pg1

havent checked any more on this just found it interesting...

I´m no expert on financial stuff, but the financial market system seems to be an absolute insane chaotic thing.

I noticed some German government bank sent 350,000,000 € to the Lehman brothers after they went bankrupt, that was clever then🙂

- McCain says Fed should stop government bailouts -

GREEN BAY, Wis. - "Republican John McCain said Friday the Federal Reserve needs to stop bailing out failed financial institutions. The Republican presidential hopeful said the Fed should get back to "its core business of responsibly managing our money supply and inflation" and he laid out several recommendations for stabilizing markets in the financial crisis that has rocked Wall Street and commanded the dialogue in the presidential campaign."

- AP

more a PR statement than anything i think...the reality is you simply cant let big banks go to the wall without destroying the lives of millions of people

Originally posted by jaden101
more a PR statement than anything i think...the reality is you simply cant let big banks go to the wall without destroying the lives of millions of people

the millions'll still've been affected and practically destroyed with the bailouts. Investments've gone down in value across the board. For both small investor and the rich guy.

but I guess letting those corps. "hit the wall" would've been worse.

Still the point is is that these companies should be made accountable. They should run the right way. Violating that rule should warrant being dissolved. Banks should be allowed to fail.

This is serious sh*t. We're currentty looking at the biggest gov bailout in US history..

It's a difficult period now. Even for the poor. they'll suffer more..

My friends. for the 1st time since the days of FDR we're looking at a depression dead in the eyes at close range. We're talking nose to nose..

Wash. has some plan they're brewing that they plan to unveil this weekend so we'll see what they have to say..

I wanna see how this will affect foreign exchange...Im gonna jump in if I see some jumps...Also in my AIG annual statement I noticed they charged like 20 bucks less than the minimum they said they have to charge per year...Im not liking that...is that way to screw me over? I should have been paying more attention b4 but now Im watching....could they deny benefits due to them undercharging?

I don't pretend to understand the "economy" but they are using our money to save our money. Sigh.

Rescue plan seeks $700B to buy bad mortages

I wanna see how this will affect foreign exchange
Probably like a domino effect. To many other countries are invested in us.

But they can help if they buy American..

the coming collapse is all planned hahahahhaha