Actually, I also just remembered, that during HOM,
Jamie was around, and he was unable to deal with Wanda's power. (chaos wave)
Wanda re-created/resurrected Jaspers & Fury.
Come to think of it, Wanda stomps.
Again imo, Wanda was like unto God during HOM.
616 was remade entirely in her image,
and the entire Omniverse
became a sandcastle she kicked around like a crazy child at the beach.
God.
Originally posted by XplosiveMr Master, why didn't LT intervene against Scarlet Witch? I mean, he did intervene for lesser thing. And there wasn't actually anyone who could stop her? What was he waiting?
(also notice Galactus getting tossed with the rest upper corner)
"No coherence to Causality.
Only Primal Chaos,
beyond the comprehension of any sentience
no matter how grandiose its opinion of itself
And this is just the beginning"
fear
There's a What if coming out in Nov. I believe,
Wanda de-powers the entire Marvel Universe, not just Mutants.
Should be sweet.
Originally posted by Nihilist
didnt meggan temporarily stop the chaos wave or am i thinking of something elseshrug
It was clearly too much for her and for anyone.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I wouldn't be surprised if Wanda was more powerful than the LT:(also notice Galactus getting tossed with the rest upper corner)
"No coherence to Causality.
Only Primal Chaos,
[B]beyond the comprehension of any sentience
no matter how grandiose its opinion of itselfAnd this is just the beginning"
fear
There's a What if coming out in Nov. I believe,
Wanda de-powers the entire Marvel Universe. Should be sweet. [/B]
Hm, beyond the comprehension of any sentience. Interesting.
Well, I remember me saying in your hierarchy thread that I wouldn't be surprised, if Wanda would deal with LT. Everything THOTI could do, she could do it. Of course THOTI would stomp her.
Anyway, as powerful as she was, I really think that the full power of LT should deal as it ridiculous as it sounds, since she was so powerful, with her without too much trouble or deal with her somehow in the end.
But then again, humans, mortals are destined to replace abstracts, even LT, so maybe Protege and Wanda were early examples.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaAs far as I recall,
the Living Tribunal doesn't really have a feat on Wanda's scale.
The best we got is of him holding/fashioning the power of two Megaverses,
and spinning the destiny of the alpha & omega in the other hand.
He was also going to replace the core of Eternity,
with the unconscious form of the Ultimate Universe:
(with his bare hands)
That seems visually like a simple juggling act,
but that is an uber feat!
There are so many cosmic laws that would've been twisted here.
Originally posted by XplosiveHm, beyond the comprehension of any sentience. Interesting.
Well, I remember me saying in your hierarchy thread that I wouldn't be surprised, if Wanda would deal with LT. Everything THOTI could do, she could do it. Of course THOTI would stomp her.
Originally posted by XplosiveAnyway, as powerful as she was,
I really think that the full power of LT should deal as it ridiculous as it sounds, since she was so powerful, with her without too much trouble or deal with her somehow in the end.
btw. The LT is always at full power, there is no such thing as weaker LT M-bodies.
That's a fallacious myth I put to rest with proof.
Originally posted by Xplosive
But then again, humans, mortals are destined to replace abstracts,
even LT, so maybe Protege and Wanda were early examples.
Which is why I understand it happening.
I'm not really going to get into the 'you can't prove that the brothers emobidied two megaverses/interpretation of the alpha & omega statement' stuff, because I've already had this discussions with you, and others, most recently with Utrigita, here.
The replacing Universes one is impressive though but, like I said, he really doesn't have any feat that actually puts him at Wanda's level.
I find Wanda inexplicably powerfull to be honest. At least pretty much almost all of the cosmic entities have an explination as to why they are so powerfull, due to certain functions and such, but the Wanda character was like 'Hey, here I am, I'm powerfull, and I'm going to affect the Omniverse'.
Originally posted by Mr Master
It's only my opinion that she may have been in that level.
Power wise, she definitely is, no doubt. Only thing is, would her power have effect on him. She was above everyone and any artifact. Only question is LT. But power wise, she is definitely completely on par (or even above it. Who knows. It happened once with Protege, so why should be as a surprise, if she was. But it also wouldn't be, even less so, if LT would be above her).
Originally posted by Philosophía
The replacing Universes one is impressive though but, like I said, he really doesn't have any feat that actually puts him at Wanda's level.
True, but it's because of his status. MU better not wish for him to go on a rampage.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaI'm not really going to get into the 'you can't prove that the brothers emobidied two megaverses/interpretation of the alpha & omega statement' stuff, because I've already had this discussions with you, and others, most recently with Utrigita
They were the architects of those two Megaverses,
I'm figuring that's poetic narrative for, 'they're the creators of the two Megaverses,'
and the LT, is the one fashioning the two Brothers in his hand.
Thus, LT held/fashioned the power of two Megaverses in one hand.
But, to make any dispute null, I'll say, imo.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaThe replacing Universes one is impressive though but, like I said, he really doesn't have any feat that actually puts him at Wanda's level.
IG made it's wielder basically God (not TOAA/THOTI) over all creation,
and yet the LT shunted it's power with a gesture,
in the proceeding arc, we learn that the infinite power of the IG,
is literally dependent on the LT's allowance.
That's an uberdiculous showing.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaI find Wanda inexplicably powerfull to be honest. At least pretty much almost all of the cosmic entities have an explination as to why they are so powerfull, due to certain functions and such, but the Wanda character was like 'Hey, here I am, I'm powerfull, and I'm going to affect the Omniverse'.
Wanda's madness was what sparked her latent potential.
Wanda, may have been a glimpse of the potential of Humanity's ultimate destiny:
To have the Living Tribunal, and the cosmic hierarchy become insignificant to them:
Thus Mankind becomes their own Eternity, everyone acquires their own reality,
they all live out infinite dreams in a state of Godhood,
where the beginning and the end of these realities is at the whim of Mankind.
