Originally posted by Enyalus
It was stated from a very fallible POV of someone who hadn't even had any real directexperience with Vastor, but had Vader's full power pressing in on him.Meaning, the statement is questionable at best.
You are correct that Nick is fallible but, it did say that even Nick's weak force connection could feel Vader was stronger. I don't think he was saying it just because Vader was torturing him.
Originally posted by Darth Angel
DBZ geek too I see? lol. Anyway, nick rostu was talking about anakin's force potential? But that's not real a problem, I mean anakin's potential is twice from sidious' one, it's obviously that he would be much stronger then sidious, yoda or vastor. However, the mechanical darth vader is not the same as a full potential anakin skywalker. Besides, shatterpoint stated his potential as close to yoda's one, so I am not seeing why shouldn't I use that same quote.
Originally posted by Darth Angel
Actually I don't agree with you, because you are basicly suggesting that mace windu is much less then 80% of sidious. So, how good was mace compared to sidious, or in other words, how much less midichlorians mace had comparing to sidious? Was he 70% from sidious? 60%? 50%? Personally I think that's to much of a difference. I mean, vader is 80% from sidious and he knows sidious would own him with the force. If mace would be even weaker then that then sidious would have own his ass with the force during their fight.
As for Sidious owning Mace with the force during their duel: HE DID! I know I'm not the only one who remembers Windu getting blasted off of the balcony with Force lightning. I got the feeling that Palpatine was holding back during the initial lightning attack, trying to turn Anakin. Mace defeated him with sabers, yes, but that was part of Sidious' strategy to turn Anakin- he needed to be on his ass when he came in, but not dead. He did his best with a lightsaber, but couldn't best Mace. Then, when he was ready, he did pwn Windu with the Force.
Originally posted by Darth Angel
Fair enough. However, I would like to point out that in my opinion, in a lightsaber fight the force only matters if one of the duelists is much superior to the other, which I don't think it's the case even if vader is superior to mace. See kasim vs bane for example, kasim could protect himself from bane's force attack (superior dueling skills vs superior force power) and only died because the temple collapsed. And he also teached his students how to protect his lightsaber from TK, so unless the power gap was significant, I believe that the better duelist would come out as victory.
I don't disagree. The Force is only decisive in duels with one (or two) extremely high end users: Yoda and Sidious is the most noteworthy example; at some point lightsaber skill has a limit, and the Force is the only battleground where a decision can be made. This happens when the two combatants are otherwise equal: Yoda is far superior to Dooku, so the Sith wouldn't risk a full confrontation. (just my interpretation)
Originally posted by Darth Angel
Hmm, fair enough. However I still think that a narrator's statement (or windu's statement perhaps, since he was the narrator most of the book) stating vastor's potential as similar to yoda's with more credibility then nick's one about vader when he was being tortured by him.
BTW it was Windu's statement 😎 . Like i said it was not that Nick said it just because he had never been so owned, he felt it through the force (he is a weak force sensitive) while he never felt that way about Kar. I am not sure that Mace wa talking about potential he said that Kar's power is on the scale of yoda but like i said am not sure.