Should smoking in cars with Children be banned?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When it's inconvenient to me.

Why should the state allow people to kill their children?

It's not the government's place to tell parents what values need to be in place in any given family, and a desire for good health and long life expectancy definitely qualifies as a value in this instance.

Originally posted by Takion
Why not pull over their car and smoke?

How about a TV ad for children which 1) mentions the effects of second-hand smoke on young lungs, and 2) reminds children of their right to ask their parents not to smoke while they're all in the car?

It could be one of those "truth" ads.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You drive much?

No

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When it's inconvenient to me.

Why should the state allow people to kill their children?

Why is it the business of the state? Do you agree with Mrs. Palin, that abortion should be illegal in all cases; including rape and incest?

Originally posted by Evil Dead
jesus christ.

so you think a person should shell out 40k for a car but not be allowed to smoke in it? you think a person should shell out 400k for a house and the government should be able to tell them they can't smoke in it.....or drink in it........or have sex in it.....because there is a child somewhere in it aswell?

this world would be vastly improved if all these self riteous people would just put a shotgun barrel in their mouth and pull the trigger.

That's not the argument, now is it. They're saying you can't smoke in it when you risk someone else's health, not you can't smoke period.

Originally posted by Devil King
Why is it the business of the state? Do you agree with Mrs. Palin, that abortion should be illegal in all cases; including rape and incest?

A living child isn't comparable to a fetus, so strawman. It's the business of the state because the state is required to protect it's citizens, killing the child slowly has no relevant difference from killing the child quickly.

Would be a pointless law

If the parents are stupid enough to do it with children in the car.. im sure they are doing much worse things at the house

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A living child isn't comparable to a fetus, so strawman. It's the business of the state because the state is required to protect it's citizens, killing the child slowly has no relevant difference from killing the child quickly.

Oh, I thought you were talking about abortion. As I said in my first post, the state doesn't need to outlaw smoking in the cars of people who have children. The parent should know not to do it out of consideration and love. However, I have heard of no child dying from his parent's second hand smoke. If the child has problems, such as asthema, I'm sure most parents would quit. I had very bad asthema when I was a child, so my father didn't smoke in the car and always went outside to have a cigarette. If my parents had friends that smoked, they were asked to follow the same rules. Oddly enogh, though, there was no state or federal law that required them to practice this behavior.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A living child isn't comparable to a fetus, so strawman. It's the business of the state because the state is required to protect it's citizens, killing the child slowly has no relevant difference from killing the child quickly.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But it's not killing them, it's simply endangering their health and there's no malicious intent involved. I've yet to see a study that says that 100% of children exposed to second hand smoke have a 100% chance of dying because of it so it's not like those parents who slowely poison their children by spoonfeeding them arsonic.

Originally posted by Takion
But do you think the government is not going to ban second hand smoke if its not killing them, but only endangering them?

Originally posted by Takion
This is some of the research I have done on why it shouldn't be banned.

Why are we focusing on banning smoking from cars with children if we can be focusing on bigger things?

If we do ban smoking from cars with kids, then we should ban wood fires since they are more deadly than the tobacco smoke since wood smoke is chemically active in the body 40 times longer than tobacco smoke (Pryor). It is 12 times more carcinogenic than tobacco smoke (Lewtas) and lowers the body's defense mechanisms for fighting off infections. Just one hour of exposure can lower immune defense 25 to 40 percent (Zelikoff).

Is there any case studies of Children being affected from parents smoking in cars with them? I need proof.

Why not stop kids from eating garbage since its killing them? Should the parents be held responsible?

Shouldn’t kids be taken away from there homes since I’m sure there toxins roaming all through out the house like bug sprays.

Shouldn’t they stop eating fruits and vegetable since its was probably sprayed with pesticide?

How’s about stop drinking cola since it has a chance of giving cancer aswell.

If this is banned, wouldn’t cops have such a problem tracking down a car with someone smoking in it, with Kids adding to that.

This may require new technology which may be very expensive.

Banning smoking in cars doesn’t make people want to stop smoking, it just makes them not want to get caught.

If this is banned, are we going to fine people who are in poor, or in poverty?

Substitute the smoke, change the smoking habits.

Its not a habit, it’s a smoking addiction.

“Just saying no to problematic substance use is what have a nice day has done to a clinical depression.”

“a ban makes the person hide their problem. When you are hiding, you don’t tend to come forward, and ask for help. Instead, education is the best approach to this problem.”

“Long, Slow, deliberate suicide.”

If a ban is placed it just makes the people find a more creative method to smoke.

Originally posted by darthgoober
They shouldn't. Not everyone views a long life expectancy as a good thing and it's not the governments place to try to force that view on people.

Do you have kids?

Originally posted by Takion
These are my reasoning to why it SHOULDNT it be banned.

Do you have kids?

Yeah I have a 4 year old son.

Originally posted by Takion
Childrens = Before they can drive

Recently I was looking at a debate and a popular topic was being debated, should smoking in cars with children be banned?

I would like to know your reasonings if it should or shouldn't be.

No. Get off Smokers' backs, you Smoking Ban Nazis*.

*Nazi Germany was one of the first states to ban smoking in public places.

Here she comes! 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Takion
Childrens = Before they can drive

Recently I was looking at a debate and a popular topic was being debated, should smoking in cars with children be banned?

I would like to know your reasonings if it should or shouldn't be.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But it's not killing them, it's simply endangering their health and there's no malicious intent involved. I've yet to see a study that says that 100% of children exposed to second hand smoke have a 100% chance of dying because of it so it's not like those parents who slowly poison their children by spoon feeding them arsenic.

You won't find a study that says 100% of children that are spoonfed arsenic are killed by it either. Those sorts of absolutes don't exist anywhere in science.

I think when this sort of debate comes up, we're delving into realms that are just silly. I mean, a lot of things that kids are exposed to are unhealthy - should there be a law that makes parents not feed their children fast food for example?