Should smoking in cars with Children be banned?

Oh, please. Toku King, it's time for a bit of realism. Cars are owned by individuals. Therefore, when those individuals drive those cars they're allowed to smoke.

of course it's not responsible behavior.
but if the government were to say "DON'T SMOKE IN CARS WITH CHILDREN," that's one step away from "DON'T SMOKE IN HOUSES WITH CHILDREN."

you want a perfect, idealistic world. that's not possible while we still want/need a human-run governing system.

i believe that smoking is bad, i might tell a friend to please not smoke around me out of courtesy, but at the end of the day, it's they're decision if they're going to smoke or not to.

and really? talk about an uninforcible law. blegh.

a single human can try to be idealistic.
a government, trying to appease hundreds of people, can not be idealistic if anything is ever going to get done.

capische?

Originally posted by Toku King
Yeah! To hell with children! Let them die of suffocation, or slowly grow an obsession with cigarettes! As long as smokers get to smoke, who cares about the lives of others! To hell with them, I say!

Originally posted by siriuswriter
Oh, please. Toku King, it's time for a bit of realism. Cars are owned by individuals. Therefore, when those individuals drive those cars they're allowed to smoke.

of course it's not responsible behavior.
but if the government were to say "DON'T SMOKE IN CARS WITH CHILDREN," that's one step away from "DON'T SMOKE IN HOUSES WITH CHILDREN."

you want a perfect, idealistic world. that's not possible while we still want/need a human-run governing system.

i believe that smoking is bad, i might tell a friend to please not smoke around me out of courtesy, but at the end of the day, it's they're decision if they're going to smoke or not to.

and really? talk about an uninforcible law. blegh.

a single human can try to be idealistic.
a government, trying to appease hundreds of people, can not be idealistic if anything is ever going to get done.

capische?

Oh my lord. Are you serious?
Give me a friggin' break, man. Ideal world? You mean common sense. You're one of those people that says SCREW THE WORLD! I'M AN INDIVIDUAL! when you don't even have to, causing more trouble than it's worth. You have your rights. You have your freedom. And protecting children is a freedom for them to not have to deal with that bullshit.
So no, not capische. **** capische. Don't smoke with kids in the car. It's unsafe.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
you shut your god damn mouth

Never! I fight for my individual rights! Sure, this specific, absolutely stupid one is dangerous as it is, but bah to the man! Screw the man!

You got studies on all the bad effects the now legal smoking in cars with children has?

Or just trying to limit personal freedoms for the heck of it?

Originally posted by Toku King
Oh my lord. Are you serious?
Give me a friggin' break, man. Ideal world? You mean [b]common sense. You're one of those people that says SCREW THE WORLD! I'M AN INDIVIDUAL! when you don't even have to, causing more trouble than it's worth. You have your rights. You have your freedom. And protecting children is a freedom for them to not have to deal with that bullshit.
So no, not capische. **** capische. Don't smoke with kids in the car. It's unsafe. [/B]

So why not go the whole way and say that people who smoke shouldn't be allowed to have children?

I'll tell you why...Because it's government interventionism gone way too far.

The UK government technically has already outlawed smoking in cars if that car is to be used for work purposes regardless of whether it's privately owned or not. If it's being used on work business then it's illegal to smoke in it even if noone else is in it. So a travelling salesman who uses his car for transport and makes his living through it has to pull over to the side of the road and get out to have a cigarette otherwise he's breaking the law. That is also government interventionism gone way too far.

Wow. I've discovered that being insulted over the internet has....

..... absolutely no effect on me.

which is apparently the opposite of the reaction you get, toku king.

Originally posted by jaden101
So why not go the whole way and say that people who smoke shouldn't be allowed to have children?

I'll tell you why...Because it's government interventionism gone way too far.

The UK government technically has already outlawed smoking in cars if that car is to be used for work purposes regardless of whether it's privately owned or not. If it's being used on work business then it's illegal to smoke in it even if noone else is in it. So a travelling salesman who uses his car for transport and makes his living through it has to pull over to the side of the road and get out to have a cigarette otherwise he's breaking the law. That is also government interventionism gone way too far.

I agree.

It is however evident by looking at some of the threads and posts in this forum why governments around the world keep insisting that people are too stupid to make their own choices on smoking, drinking and food, so they're imposing it on us.

I do wonder how far will this go, and what will personal freedom come down to.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You got studies on all the bad effects the now legal smoking in cars with children has?

Or just trying to limit personal freedoms for the heck of it?

not to mention we would then HAVE to ban all other things parents do to their children which are equally or more harmful

May I make a suggestion. Maybe we should discuss whether children should be banned from cars in which smoking is going on.

It's a more interesting, and fair, topic, I think.

lol

I like that 😉

Originally posted by Bardock42
May I make a suggestion. Maybe we should discuss whether children should be banned from cars in which smoking is going on.

It's a more interesting, and fair, topic, I think.

Banning smoking outright would solve everything . . .

I concur. Smoking anywhere should be abolished. It is outright counter productive.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Banning smoking outright would solve everything . . .

Including world peace.

Originally posted by Forum Ninja
I concur. Smoking anywhere should be abolished. It is outright counter productive.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Banning smoking outright would solve everything . . .

Isn't your standard reply something like "So would killing everyone"? 😐

Originally posted by Bardock42
Isn't your standard reply something like "So would killing everyone"? 😐

And thus far no one has come up with a valid reason that murder wouldn't solve various problems more quickly and definitively than other methods. I don't advocate it in real life but then again I can't see how people advocate pretty much any of the various philosophies around here with a clean conscience.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And thus far no one has come up with a valid reason that murder wouldn't solve various problems more quickly and definitively than other methods. I don't advocate it in real life but then again I can't see how people advocate pretty much any of the various philosophies around here with a clean conscience.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Silly.

No, it isn't.

Any smoker I debate with uses the countless excuse that they have the freedom to smoke. What about those around them that do not wish to inhale such toxic matter? Also, their share is unfiltered.

Smoking is silly. It has absolutely no purpose other than providing an overly negative effect on your body.

Originally posted by Forum Ninja
No, it isn't.

Any smoker I debate with uses the countless excuse that they have the freedom to smoke. What about those around them that do not wish to inhale such toxic matter? Also, their share is unfiltered.

Smoking is silly. It has absolutely no purpose other than providing an overly negative effect on your body.

Banning it in communal areas of state owned property, fair enough. Banning it in private homes, cars or in privately owned businesses is another. Why should they have to not smoke in their own homes? Does anyone force you to go to their place? No? Then you are really the invading party, aren't you?

And the purpose is solely the joy one gets. Personally, I don't smoke, bothers me and makes me cough. But if others enjoy it, it's their decision, and really, that's all the purpose it needs.

ya, ban smoking outright, because we see how well that worked for alcohol, marijuana, cocaine and heroin