Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well what else is there, its a h2h match and we already know Diana has superior MA skill and combat speed so.....whats the real argument here?
There are 3 primary issues here...
1. Its a well established fact that Silver Surfer has shown FTL travel while on his board...but he also has displayed FTL combat reaction times equivalent to or faster than anyone in the Marvel Universe. He can be as fast as he needs to be or go beyond that under his own power when amping himself. Its clear that Silver Surfers powerset allows him to amp any areas of his abilities (Strength, Speed, Endurance, Armor etc) at free will.
2. There are certain people that have made claims that for some reason without his board, SS would lose his "speed" or his ability to amp any of his abilities. For everyone involved here please post scans or evidence to support this or we have to throw this claim out altogether as fallacy.
3. Silver Surfer has true self sustenance, meaning he can repair any incurred physical damage he recieves. So not only can he amp himself but he can also channel his energy from the PC indefinitely unless he either becomes bored or simply deceides otherwise.
4. If anyone would know what it takes to defeat Wonderwoman by pure physical means without prior knowledge its Silver Surfer when utilizing Cosmic awareness and scanning her DNA and cellular makeup alone.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
There are 3 primary issues here...1. Its a well established fact that Silver Surfer has shown FTL travel while on his board...but he also has displayed FTL combat reaction times equivalent to or faster than anyone in the Marvel Universe. He can be as fast as he needs to be or go beyond that under his own power when amping himself. Its clear that Silver Surfers powerset allows him to amp any areas of his abilities (Strength, Speed, Endurance, Armor etc) at free will.
2. There are certain people that have made claims that for some reason without his board, SS would lose his "speed" or his ability to amp any of his abilities. For everyone involved here please post scans or evidence to support this or we have to throw this claim out altogether as fallacy.
3. Silver Surfer has true self sustenance, meaning he can repair any incurred physical damage he recieves. So not only can he amp himself but he can also channel his energy from the PC indefinitely unless he either becomes bored or simply deceides otherwise.
4. If anyone would know what it takes to defeat Wonderwoman by pure physical means without prior knowledge its Silver Surfer when utilizing Cosmic awareness and scanning her DNA and cellular makeup alone.
So if Surfer can amp himself indefinitely like you say, then how come he has never amped himself indefinitely beyond Thanos's own powers?
So Surfer can use his cosmic awareness now to find out anyone's weakness huh? Should have used it when fighting Thor. Oh isn't Thor magical? Like Wonder Woman?
Originally posted by fangirl101
All of this is pretty much garbage to me. Surfer has never shown any super speed while off his board. I dont' give a damn what you THINK his abilities should be. What has been shown? No one is making claims that he loses his speed. We are saying the has never shown the speed we are talking about without the damned board. post scans of him having speed of the board. You are asking us for scans showing him without the speed and that is DUMB. It's up to you to prove that he has it while off of his board.So if Surfer can amp himself indefinitely like you say, then how come he has never amped himself indefinitely beyond Thanos's own powers?
So Surfer can use his cosmic awareness now to find out anyone's weakness huh? Should have used it when fighting Thor. Oh isn't Thor magical? Like Wonder Woman?
1. Please try to calm down, If you feel my post is garbage, thats fine. 😉 its only an opinion - nothing more.
2. Surfer has shown FTL combat speed, on multiple occasions, please check his respect thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t459252.html
3. Its not dumb. Some claim Surfer loses speed and other abilities without his board. My point its that I have never seen any evidence of such. If someone claims an unproven or unsubstantiated fact, They should show some proof (even weak) to back it or its false to me.
4. Regarding Thor/WW being scanned, you have a good point in that their magical enchantments may block Surfer from utilizing this ability.
Originally posted by fangirl101
So if Surfer can amp himself indefinitely like you say, then how come he has never amped himself indefinitely beyond Thanos's own powers?
😮 Uhhh....Please re-read my post. Your answer is there.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
he can also channel his energy from the PC indefinitely unless he either becomes bored or simply deceides otherwise.
Originally posted by darthgoober
We know no such thing about their combat speed. And Surfer's durability advantage should be more than enough to compensate for the skill difference. It may take a while but eventually WW's going down.
I would believe its the other way around.....from batman up to the higher tiers...its skill that outlast and defeats durability... i.m.o, not aways but enough for me to think its a better bet, i dont see a easy fight......but looking thru the respect threads...i am not convinced surfer can win the majority
Originally posted by darthgooberqft. she can't overwhelm his connection to the power cosmic, she can't win.
We know no such thing about their combat speed. And Surfer's durability advantage should be more than enough to compensate for the skill difference. It may take a while but eventually WW's going down.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
qft. she can't overwhelm his connection to the power cosmic, she can't win.
Lets try this.
Say Norrin decides to not even bother harming Diana at all...and strickly channels his powers for defense/regen/armor only during this fight...
Silver Surfer could simply just armor up and take anything she tries to dish out. Not only that, for sake of argument, we'll say he allows himself to recieve cellular damage, Diana doesn't have anything to block his ability to instantly repair it....or anything to stop him from channeling energy to himself maintain his endurance to continue this process.
Wash, rinse, repeat.....and BFR is no option here
The problem is that based on powerset, the Silver Surfer is one of the most potent and versatile characters in all of comics. He can amp himself in all sorts of ways, is fully aware of his environment...TK, Psi-abilities, can aborb all forms of energy, can manipulate energy, dna, matter etc. SS is a beast when it comes to options and that counts more than being one of the best physical combatants.
Wonderwoman can not deal more damage than SS is capable of defending/regenerating...and when Self sustenance comes into play, its just not really fair.
She severly needs some sort of enchantment that blocks Norrins connection with the Power Cosmic to defeat him here.
^sort of.
the thing is, the only times he has actually "lowered" himself to using straight fisticuffs is the loss to power gem champion and his brief encounter with the warbound while he was de-powered. he doesn't have to fight 99% of the time since he is not limited to just that, but if he gets agrivated he can dish out some serious damage.
surfer's pacifism and refinement get confused with weakness, and that is not the case at all.
being de-powered is a great difference for him since his cosmic glaze is renewed/fueled by cosmic energy, it can and has been chipped and cracked while his power's were stripped. but while fully operational, his cosmic glaze is impervious to all harm from threats with lesser cosmic might than his own. even mephisto has trouble taking him down. you have to overwhelm the cosmic might of a herald (or any cosmically powered individuel for that matter) to kill them, thats why the likes of thanos are beyond norrin radd.
but even so surfer has undergone some up-grades and he has put down the uni-lord and survived a battle with two GALACTUS level opponents with only cracked skin....
ww beating him just using fisticuffs is a pipe dream, unless she can de-power him.
Originally posted by darthgoober
We know no such thing about their combat speed. And Surfer's durability advantage should be more than enough to compensate for the skill difference. It may take a while but eventually WW's going down.
We know Diana is the better MA by a very significant margin, even if she doesnt use superspeed in combat her h2h ability is a huge advantage...especially in a match with a very specific stipulation. In SS case, we have no evidence of his MA and virtually no reason to think he can move at superpseed in combat.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
1. Please try to calm down, If you feel my post is garbage, thats fine. 😉 its only an opinion - nothing more.2. Surfer has shown FTL combat speed, on multiple occasions, please check his respect thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t459252.html3. Its not dumb. Some claim Surfer loses speed and other abilities without his board. My point its that I have never seen any evidence of such. If someone claims an unproven or unsubstantiated fact, They should show some proof (even weak) to back it or its false to me.
4. Regarding Thor/WW being scanned, you have a good point in that their magical enchantments may block Surfer from utilizing this ability.
So any scans of these FTL combat reflexes agaisnt top tiers like Thanos,Glads,Adam...tyrant? Any scans of MA skill plz?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
So any scans of these FTL combat reflexes agaisnt top tiers like Thanos,Glads,Adam...tyrant? Any scans of MA skill plz?
Surfers speed is well established in his respect thread. The fact is that Wonderwoman would lose this purely on a defensive stand point alone...Surfer wouldn't even have to lay a finger on her at all offensively.
Simply put - He can easily outlast her, as well as withstand anything she can do offensively....so his offensive combat effectiveness and speed (even though already established) is moot. She can't take him out as long as he's bound to the PC.
Im just speaking from a defensive, endurance, and regenerative stand point. Again, unless she can stop his abilities, she can't do anything to defeat Norrin here.
Top Tiers vs cosmic entities = phail. Her best bet would be getting access to the belt of Strength and SOMEHOW trying for a KO victory.