Originally posted by snyper1982I can maneuver my car at 80 mph. But I can't move my hands or legs that fast. traveling speed and reaction times seem to be more linear while reaction times based upon combat seem to be something different.
I agree, but surfer DOES have on panel FTL feats. So it isn't baseless to say he has FTL speed and reflexes. If he is maneuvering at FTl, he HAS to have FTL reflexes, there is not other logical explanation, IMO.
Originally posted by snyper1982actually it's not. Guys who fly planes consistantly show that they can react and maneuver planes at 1500 mph. More in fighter jets. They can't react that fast in a running situation or in a boxing match. All reactions are not created equal and cannot thus be applied equally. Surfer has great space reaction speeds. And his energy reactions speeds are the best. But in hand to hand, he isn't even in the top 100.
That is just a horrible analogy.
Originally posted by fangirl101
actually it's not. Guys who fly planes consistantly show that they can react and maneuver planes at 1500 mph. More in fighter jets. They can't react that fast in a running situation or in a boxing match. All reactions are not created equal and cannot thus be applied equally. Surfer has great space reaction speeds. And his energy reactions speeds are the best. But in hand to hand, he isn't even in the top 100.
Actually it is, because surfer isn't flying a plane or driving a car.
Originally posted by Badabing
Guys, I'm going to be addressing this point and a few other points about rules, power sets, panel showings, being in character, etc. I hope to send out PMs to posters I know, who have been here a good while and our best and brightest. I also may pin a thread to discuss everything. Darthgoober made a similar thread a few months back and I think we need to address some of these points.
This forum badly needs this to be done.
Originally posted by snyper1982
Look. I already gave my reasoning behind my point of view. Your not going to change my opinion... So stop trying. I am saying that until you prove to me that he looses his speed off the board, you have not shown me anything.
Originally posted by fangirl101
No you have nothing. Show me surfer doing anything speed wise such as running, using his hands, or any of that. Magneto can fly fast. So does that mean now that he has super hand speed. According to you it does. Cuz magneto can put together complex machines in seconds. I guess he has super speed too.
Yawnnnn......
Originally posted by fangirl101
I guess that means I pwned you and you have no response.
Yeah. That's what it means. Seeing as you have yet to prove that surfer even looses his speed when he is not on his board, I don't HAVE to prove he can run fast, because we already know surfer can move FTL. Again, the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim that surfer looses his speed.
Originally posted by snyper1982
Yeah. That's what it means. Seeing as you have yet to prove that surfer even looses his speed when he is not on his board, I don't HAVE to prove he can run fast, because we already know surfer can move FTL. Again, the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim that surfer looses his speed.
Originally posted by Cavalier
It's irrational to assume that a character that normally stands on a moving object moves just as fast without it.We don't just assume that.
Which means that the burden of proof is on you.
Originally posted by snyper1982So once again, you've only got supposition that he can move just as fast without the board?
Surfer moves the board... There is also no reason to think a Herald cannot fly under his own power like, well every other herald can... Power cosmic allows him to fly, not the board. He can remake and reshape the board at will because it is an extension of him.
Once again you've tried and failed to dodge the burden of proof?
Kthx
Speed has many aspects.
The Flash has consistently been shown to search every surface within a populated city within a second. He is also on record reading through complete sets of encyclopedia's within a heartbeat.
Flash's reflexes are legend DC have created the Speedforce to back up Flash's extreme reflexes.
In Marvel Surfer has enhanced vision/cosmic awareness enabling him to see every surface within a city Marvel have not equipped Surfer with the "combat" speed essential for such a task. Surfer is simply not capable of leafing through 26 encyclopedia's and mouthing every word within a heartbeat.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
On panel feats>Suggested core power sets IMO.I try to use both, but in the end, On panel feats are the most tangible material we have.
Disagree
on these forums some members will have for example read over 2000 in canon Ironman feats
Some members may have read 600 or less Ironman canon and non canon feats
more experienced posters join a debate featuring a character they have followed for a long time.
Using Knowsbleed's 'On panel feats>Suggested core power sets IMO' Formula members with slightly less experience with the character will refer to the lesser amount of on panel feats they have personally wittnessed to dispute what they perceive as an inferred powerset.