Kingdom Come Superman Vs Sentry

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well Sentry flies all over the world and has made it to the sun in virtually no time when he tossed the Void into it. I dont have the sentry comics on my comp anymore but could look for the scans again if this would make you feel better. I have never seen any conclusive proof that Superman is faster in combat. They both seem very quick and speed doesnt decide this anyways imo.

Do you recall Sentry blitzing anyone in Marvel? Because I don't offhand, but I don't like Sentry so don't follow him that closely.

But to me, Sentry seemed pretty slow combat-wise. Thor-level or such. Especially against Photon and WWH.

Also, Superman flew Darkseid to the sun in a few seconds. So Superman is at least as fast as Sentry travelwise from that feat alone, and other feats point to him being faster.

Originally posted by quanchi112
First off Sentry used more power than he ever had used in the fight against WW Hulk.

Kc Supes didnt look all that great against Marvel in kc imo. Supes still beats marvel so even though he is slightly better than Superman its minute imo. Thats my opinion. I also hold the opinion that WW Hulk is stronger than Superman by a decent amount. Sentry looked to be his virtual equal in their scrap. Thats impressive when we think of how strong Hulk is and that this was the strongest version up to date.

Me claiming Sentry is stronger is no worse than the other side claiming Superman is stronger. Its all our opinions and we dont have any direct comparisons to actually know who is right and who is wrong.

Well Sentry flies all over the world and has made it to the sun in virtually no time when he tossed the Void into it. I dont have the sentry comics on my comp anymore but could look for the scans again if this would make you feel better. I have never seen any conclusive proof that Superman is faster in combat. They both seem very quick and speed doesnt decide this anyways imo.

Actually it is worse because the other side has lots of feats to say Superman is stronger.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Do you recall Sentry blitzing anyone in Marvel? Because I don't offhand, but I don't like Sentry so don't follow him that closely.

But to me, Sentry seemed pretty slow combat-wise. Thor-level or such. Especially against Photon and WWH.

Dr. Doom

Captain Marvel has always been equal to Supes has he not? Superman is weak to Magic, is he not? Captain Marvel only "pawned" Supes when he started to use magic lightning on him, and even then the pawning didn't last long after Supes got to him and forced him back to a normal man.

The big questions ...Is sentry equal to Supes, let alone KC Supes? No. Does Sentry have magic? As far as I can tell no. Does Sentry have a chance? Only in Quanchi's mind.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Me claiming Sentry is stronger is no worse than the other side claiming Superman is stronger. Its all our opinions and we dont have any direct comparisons to actually know who is right and who is wrong.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371890&highlight=Superman+forumid%3A98

Originally posted by tkitna
The only people that have failed are obviously your parents.

Originally posted by Estacado
Do us a favor and read this thread.....

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371890&highlight=Superman+forumid%3A98

What's up with the Goku bashing? lol....I did some lower end calculations (Goku in the Frieza saga) and found that, at the bare minimum, SSJ Goku (Frieza Saga version) can lift 98,180 tons. Not Supes level. But not half bad.

Anywho...yeah, KC Supes wins. Especially if speed blitzing Doom is all he has in that department. Jay noted that KC Supes might be as fast as Wally West, so...

Originally posted by Enyalus
What's up with the Goku bashing? lol....I did some lower end calculations (Goku in the Frieza saga) and found that, at the bare minimum, SSJ Goku (Frieza Saga version) can lift 98,180 tons. Not Supes level. But not half bad.

Anywho...yeah, KC Supes wins. Especially if speed blitzing Doom is all he has in that department. Jay noted that KC Supes might be as fast as Wally West, so...

2. Yeah, he does win. Hell, normal Superman wins.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Lol, no. Goku at base could not even lift 40 tons, his max was maybe 30, 35 at best. And if that BS that people say that his strength is multiplied by 50 for every transformation, he would only be 1,750 tons at best in SSJ.

2. Yeah, he does win. Hell, normal Superman wins.

Goku's max would put him at above 100 class, he could easily lift 40 tons with a single hand when going SS.

KC Superman.

What strength feats does Goku have? beyond the push ups.

He did train under 1 times earth gravity, his strength feats are rare however. Aside from the 40 tons, he hasnt displayed a great deal.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Lol, no. Goku at base could not even lift 40 tons, his max was maybe 30, 35 at best. And if that BS that people say that his strength is multiplied by 50 for every transformation, he would only be 1,750 tons at best in SSJ.

The weights on Goku's arms are either 2 kilos, or 10 kilos depending on the source (it varies on the sourcebook). I used the 2 kilo figure for my calculation. And the fact that he was lifting his arms and moving around easily in 100 times Earth's gravity. The total comes out to 1,964 tons. And he is 50 times stronger between base and when he goes SSJ in the Frieza saga, which comes out to 98,180 tons. And again, this is using the lower measurement of 2 kilos instead of 10.

And again, that's just SSJ...just in the Frieza saga. Clearly he'd have gotten stronger later on. Also, Wizards of the Coast gave Goku the win over Superman back in the Byrne days (I think that was it). 😛

Originally posted by Enyalus
The weights on Goku's arms are either 2 kilos, or 10 kilos depending on the source (it varies on the sourcebook). I used the 2 kilo figure for my calculation. And the fact that he was lifting his arms and moving around easily in 100 times Earth's gravity. The total comes out to 1,964 tons. And he is 50 times stronger between base and when he goes SSJ in the Frieza saga, which comes out to 98,180 tons. And again, this is using the lower measurement of 2 kilos instead of 10.

And again, that's just SSJ...just in the Frieza saga. Clearly he'd have gotten stronger later on. Also, Wizards of the Coast gave Goku the win over Superman back in the Byrne days (I think that was it). 😛

Does the SS transformation actually boast stats by 50, I dont remember the degrees ever being stated.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Does the SS transformation actually boast stats by 50, I dont remember the degrees ever being stated.

It's only stated explicitly the first time Goku goes SSJ against Frieza. That's why I used only that.

EDIT: Actually, I looked at my notes again and it was 2 or 10 tons, not kilos.

Hey i was arguing for Goku awhile back, do u have the scans where it states he is boasted 50 times. I didnt know the weights were 10 tons, thought they were around 100 pounds each or something.

Naw, but that's off-topic anyway so we best quit. 😉

Originally posted by Enyalus
Naw, but that's off-topic anyway so we best quit. 😉

Plus i bet there no such scans lol.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Plus i bet there no such scans lol.

Uh, I'm pretty sure it's in the manga, as well as in Budokai Tenkaichi 3 under Goku's bio. To name 2 sources.

Out of 10 tries, how many wins do you think Sentry pulls out, Galen?

Alright, I debated for Goku sometime ago but I never had any access to the magna. PM some of the info cause i need to know some stats about him that obviosuly u may know. Anyhow KC supes takes this 10/10. Normal supes got amped by a guy who was powered by 1 million suns alreayd and KC supes is more powerful then base Supes.