Pein takes on the rest of the Akatsuki

Originally posted by Kento
😕 Sasuke did avoid Amaterasu. Though that's neither here nor there since Itachi wasn't trying. Sasuke also isn't on Pein's level. First how is Itachi going to genjutsu missles and use Amaterasu? Second how do you genjutsu a missle to begin with? Since genjutsu is illusion that doesn't work on inanimate objects.

None of Akatsuki have ever shown teamwork except Hidan and Kakuzu. And again how would Deidara be fighting summon after summon and Pein at the same time? And Itachi beat Deidara without Deidara doing anything big. He wouldn't know what Deidara was doing or anything as he doesn't know Deidara. Sasori would have a better chance avoiding Deidara's attacks because they know each other. And the only two anywhere close to Jiraiya in skill would be Itachi and Kisame. All the others are between Kakashi, and Sasuke level.

He avoided it one time, and was hit another time, and Itachi got hit by it as well, and both of them are faster than Pein.Kakashi genjutsu a missle with MS, and Itachi can do that as well.

Kisame and Itachi are supposibly the best team out of all of the Akatsuki. Pein oppenly admitted this, and also said Kisame has the best reserved chakra. Deidara wanted to challenge him again, and why didn't he, because Deidara said he is a far superior opponent and he would die. I would have to say Itachi, Deidara, and Kisame are Jiraiya's level, but with the others in the mix, then they are pretty unstoppable.

IMO, Deidara>Kisame

Originally posted by Wil7
He avoided it one time, and was hit another time, and Itachi got hit by it as well, and both of them are faster than Pein.Kakashi genjutsu a missle with MS, and Itachi can do that as well.

Kisame and Itachi are supposibly the best team out of all of the Akatsuki. Pein oppenly admitted this, and also said Kisame has the best reserved chakra. Deidara wanted to challenge him again, and why didn't he, because Deidara said he is a far superior opponent and he would die. I would have to say Itachi, Deidara, and Kisame are Jiraiya's level, but with the others in the mix, then they are pretty unstoppable.

IMO, Deidara>Kisame

Kamui isn't genjutsu. He didn't genjutsu Deidara's clone to a different dimension. That's a ninjutsu. A ninjutsu that only Kakashi has at that.

Best team because they are the strongest. Doesn't mean they have any teamwork. Or teamwork anywhere near Pein and his bodies. I doubt anybody could have teamwork on the level of Pein and his bodies anyway.

Deidara being beaten by Itachi really has no bearing on Itachi knowing his moves at all.

Deidara is barley over Sasuke's level. He isn't anywhere close to Jiraiya's level.

They are far from unstoppable as a team since they have no teamwork since they will be going up against a person who has the greatest teamwork and uses his other bodies to make up for his weaknesses. In a team battle like this it's going to be hard. They can't go at it by themselves and they don't know each other well enough to work effective as a team no matter how strong they are.

I don't think pein can beat all the other deadly ninja in akatsuki by himself even with six bodies that all have on unique ability

Originally posted by roz88
I don't think pein can beat all the other deadly ninja in akatsuki by himself even with six bodies that all have on unique ability

Agree, even though Kento has good points, I still think a C-3 bomb can end Pein, and the others, or even Itachi using any of the MS. It would still be a good fight, but I don't think Pein can win.

C-3 would also probably effectively wipeout his teammates also..So it wouldn't be smart to use.

As for MS jutsu. The only one that would really work would be Susanoo. But that would kill Itachi. Amaterasu blocked by Absorbing Pein after being deflected by Yahiko Pein to him, and Tsukiyomi is broken by one of the other five bodies.

Who cares, if it takes care of everyone but him, Akatsuki wins.

Or it could be detonated early and blow him to kingdom come with a missle. *shrugs* Or have it flung who knows where by Yahiko and his gravity powers.

Most of Pains bodies were owned by Jiraiya's genjutsu, and technically, if even one of Pains bodies see's Itachi mangekyou, they all would be literally making eye-contact with mangekyou, so wouldn't they all be affected? Even the real Pain? IMO, Itachi has the tools to take down Pains bodies, this is a perfectly healthy itachi right?

Pain wins. Akatsuki members dont normally fight as a team while Pain is a master of it. The offensive ninjutsu etc will be nulllified by either absorbing pain or Gravity pain. Also with eight huge summons running around most of the akatsuki members will be very busy. Guys like Hidan and Deidara whose attacks will be ineffective will most likely get hit with missles or get their souls pulled out. Sasori's poison attacks will also be useless and he will get blown to pieces by missles. as well. As for Itachi, amaterasu wont work and may most likely be directed to one of the akatsuki members. Tsukuyumi is broken by one of the other pains ( that is if it works cuz pain seems to be quite adept at genjutsu himself). If itachi brings out susano he will rpobably die of over chakra use. Kisame really has no attacks that will cause any problems for pain either Eventually he too gets destroyed or has his soul pulled out.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Most of Pains bodies were owned by Jiraiya's genjutsu, and technically, if even one of Pains bodies see's Itachi mangekyou, they all would be literally making eye-contact with mangekyou, so wouldn't they all be affected? Even the real Pain? IMO, Itachi has the tools to take down Pains bodies, this is a perfectly healthy itachi right?

No, because it was never stated that all of their bodies share the same sense of hearing, it was only stated they share the same vision, the rinnegan will see all. The wavy sound thing has to actually physically travel to each body, whereas Tsukiyomi works by having eye contact with Itachi's mangekyou.

Itachi's Tsukiyomi has only been shown to affect one person at a time

Tsukuyumi is broken by one of the other pains ( that is if it works cuz pain seems to be quite adept at genjutsu himself). If itachi brings out susano he will rpobably die of over chakra use. Kisame really has no attacks that will cause any problems for pain either Eventually he too gets destroyed or has his soul pulled out.

The fact that dead bodies can hear what is being said, and Nagato would be the one hearing, and talking through the dead bodies. He would be hearing the genjutsu himself.

Kakashi didn't even know what move he was doing. So how would he even know if Itachi can use it on one person or not?

Susanoo - However the technique will drain the life of the user through continued use.

There's no way Tsukuyomi would affect all the Pains. I mean, it would make sense if it did, but we can see from Jiraiya's Genjutsu that it's simply not what happens.

The sound waves didn't physically reach the other bodies ears, thats why they weren't affected by it. It can be blocked if the sound waves don't physically reach into the victims ears. However, if they all share the same sense of vision which was even stated in the manga, they will all have eye contact with Mangekyou, and feel the effects of it, just as the bodies felt the effects of Jiraiya's genjutsu, when the sound waves physically reached the bodies ears.

Kakashi knew of Mangekyou, thats he made everyone close their eyes, he knew the sharingan genjutsu can affect more then one person hence why all of them closed their eyes. There's nothing really to suggest it can only affect one person at a time. All of Itachi's fights just happened to be one on one.

It does drain his life after continually using it, but its not like if he uses it once, he's dead, he can probably use it once a battle.

The Pains can hear what eachother hear, that's how the "Central" Pain can hear and generate responses to people talking to his bodies.

Yeah but the actual harmful sound waves physically don't reach his ear, which is needed in order for Jiraiya's genjutsu to work, the waves go into his ear and paralyzes his move/brain

Itachi's genjutsu works different, it works as soon as you make make contact with his eyes, since all Pains body have the same eyes, and share the same vision, if one Pain makes eye contact with Itachi, all of them do, if it was Itachi there, all of them would see it.

Originally posted by Terryc250
The sound waves didn't physically reach the other bodies ears, thats why they weren't affected by it. It can be blocked if the sound waves don't physically reach into the victims ears. However, if they all share the same sense of vision which was even stated in the manga, they will all have eye contact with Mangekyou, and feel the effects of it, just as the bodies felt the effects of Jiraiya's genjutsu, when the sound waves physically reached the bodies ears.

Kakashi knew of Mangekyou, thats he made everyone close their eyes, he knew the sharingan genjutsu can affect more then one person hence why all of them closed their eyes. There's nothing really to suggest it can only affect one person at a time. All of Itachi's fights just happened to be one on one.

No he knows of Sharingan jutsu. He didn't know anything about MS or Tsukiyomi at all until after Itachi told him, and used it on him. Looking into a sharingan users eyes can cast other genjutsu also not just Tsukiyomi. It's why he tried to fight it with his sharingan. Because he didn't know.

Originally posted by Kento
Everything about Pein is controlled. They see, and hear everything the others do because it's one person. Pein is one person. He hears whatever the bodies hear. The fact he wasn't effected by the genjutsu means he won't be effected by a sight based genjutsu either.

And besides that, Pain felt a bit of the affects of it prior, he's not stupid, the real Pain would obviously disrupt his sense of hearing so that it wouldn't affect the true him. Tsukiyomi is different though, it works instantly and is over instantly as soon as you look into the eyes.

No he knows of Sharingan jutsu. He didn't know anything about MS or Tsukiyomi at all until after Itachi told him, and used it on him. Looking into a sharingan users eyes can cast other genjutsu also not just Tsukiyomi. It's why he tried to fight it with his sharingan. Because he didn't know. [/B]

The way things are looking. I doubt Pain can beat Itachi and sasori one on one. Sasori no cuz Sasori is a beast. In all honest Sasori and Itachi would wtf own Pain the way this looks