League of Champions Week Three: Bdub/Smurph Vs. Charlotte

Post #8 and so on.

First of all, I’m going to address some baseless claims Smurph&Blair are throwing around.

We won’t be able to download all the data we need in 4 minutes (viruses, firewall software, tech specs). That's kind of silly, especially considering that all that data is placed on two separate hard drives we’ll be attaching to Karima (I’ve shown how it’s totally possible in my post #4). Also, the necessary data is already there, in Oracle’s memory banks (biggest database in DCU ever) and finding it there would be a piece of cake.

Oracle has perfect photographic memory- perfect to the point she can’t be mindwiped. She physically can’t forget things (think of it as her only superpower).
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1111061_page16/

That gives her the ability to access\find any file or data piece in her database instantly- even the most exotic ones.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1070780_Countdown_037_page_03/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1070786_Countdown_037_page_04/

So…more likely the necessary data would be ready in far less than 4 minutes given to do that.

I’ve already shown Karima interconnecting herself with Shi’ar tech (the one Cable uses). The interconnection was perfect. She had no problems interconnecting with futuristic tech when seeing it for the 1st time. In fact, the interconnection allowed her to control that tech.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/998469_X-Men_#198_002/

She was already browsed on New Genesis tech in the very 1st round by Oracle, yet you tend to believe that interconnecting with that kind of futuristic tech is more difficult that interconnecting with the alien tech she has seen for the 1st time? LOL. Really.

Next thing is your claim that technopathic attack won’t hit Nimrod. A dude has what? TWO technopathic feats ever (all shown in the post #2, I’ll be referring to that post multiple times since it was dedicated to the debunking of some totally ridiculous claims regarding Nimrod and Vector- For conviniency of the judges I’ll post link to that in the end of my post ). Consisting of hacking password “Ororo” to override defence codes (LOL at noob Forge) and analyzing\comparing two streams of data tied to the particular biosignature.

Oracle has pwned Brainiac, treated planetary level computer attack as if it was some joke etc. I smell lots of wishful thinking regarding the claim that Nimrod would take that attack like nothing.
The software can also be adjusted on the fly- Saraswati amalgam has more than enough skills and resourses to do that.

Oracle’s hacking skills and resourses>>>US military. Note “it’s the matter of HOURS” to do last 10% percents of work.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1111255_Birds_Of_Prey_#5_pg06/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1111257_Birds_Of_Prey_#5_pg07/

As for Reed being>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Babs... that's not like he dwarfs her mentally. In fact she's the SMARTEST JLA member (inventing stuff isn't her cup of tea, but perfectly organised mind is). And here's what she can do with it.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/988388_JLA_Classified_015_page_16/
A diagram to stabilize the universe. She says that she "barely can wrap her mind around it". But guess what? The rest of JLA (including Batman) doesn’t understand it at all, and need to achieve mind-synch to recreate mental model…created in Oracle’s mind. According to that feat, Barbara’s mind>>>>>the rest of JLA. So…not that bush league- and achievements in terms of inventing stuff does not=skill as technopath.

Nobody ever managed to hack Oracle’s database and the only two people who ever got through her defenses (designed to be unbreakable) unwanted were Misfit (via unique magic extra-dimensional teleportation so she avoided passing defense lines and was spying on Oracle for long time inside her living quarters, being her fangirl) and Karate Kid (via doing what Karate Kids do the best- he PISed his way in).

Misfit is the only person of DCU (not counting PIS Kid…sorry, Karate Kid) who managed to sneak in unwanted and that’s due to her unique teleporting signature:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1118469_BirdsofPrey99-005/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1118470_BirdsofPrey99-011/

Should I list enormous list of cases Baxter Building being entered unwanted and\or Reed’s databases being stolen? I think we can get without it.

Also, unlike Nimrod who is horrible multitasker (his multitasking “achievments” were shown in the post #6 and quite frankly he sucks in multitasking), Karima has shown that she has no problem attacking multiple targets with multiple weapons simultaneously.

Once again, PWNing the Genosha invasion corps.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1003736_Excalibur_04_(22)/
“One woman army” (unlike Nimrod on Kitty scan you keep referring to, she pulls out her “bells and whistles” simultaneously)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1003733_page-05/

When we’re at it, I’d also like to say that Karima’s sensors>Nimrod’s.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099102_Uncanny_X-Men_209_(Large)-17/
Nimrod fails to detect Kitty inside Colossus.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1032140_X-Men_#199_003/
Karima scans through the mess of psionic\electromagnetic energy which is

The next retarded claim of yours- Emma\MM amalgam won’t be able to turn her skin diamond and shed it in…4 minutes. *wtf*
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen190005qg7vy2.jpg
1\100th of a second. For full transformation. Partial one, limited to skin only- even less than that. Detaching the layer of skin from a body forming exoskeleton- another 1\10th of a second (that’s being modest, as Miss Martian has shown being able to shapeshift pretty fast). 4 minutes? LOL.
Partial transformation allows to use TP without any problems (shown in the writeup), and what’s more- the skin would be SHED, forming exoskeletons. I’ve already shown that diamond exoskeletons based on Emma’s DNA\powers (the detached skin that is her OWN would sure as hell be) AMPLIFY AND FOCUS ambient psionic energy.

To add to what was shown in the writeup (Emma’s feats referring to using partial transformation into diamond)- Stepford Cuckoos (same powers as their mum, except for their diamond forms being absolutely flawless and them being able to interconnect into digipathical hivemind, thus amplifying their TP) keep a part of their body permanently transformed diamond and that doesn't weaken their telepathy at all.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1011914_img021/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1010963_img022/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1011692_img023/

Vector’s powers (deeply analysed in post #2) is telekinesis. Mental power. It can’t be amplified by amalgamating with a ROBOT (who has nothing to add to psi-powers at all), or by growing in size (since when Pym particles increase mental powers)? So the level of Prodigy’s power output with Vector's power would be the same as the output of Vector's powers- building-destroying at best - even “reality ripping” attack- horribly overrated- it didn’t even kill people it was aimed at and said ripping happened as side effect.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099188_Hulk277_15b/
The dude destroys a building, straining his ass off in process. Gets pwned by Hulk (Professor Hulk, BTW) like a pussy.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099194_SPB522/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099195_SPB523/
Destroys a building once again, this time having help from Vapor (who turned into oxygen for combustive effect).

That’s all done with strain or help… and what does that mean? Vector’s power level is TOTALLY MANAGEABLE for Emma, let alone a psionic behemoth who is Emeralda (Emma’s +M’gann’s psionic reserves combined, not to mention amplifying exoskeleton), who has Jean’s skills and experience as a trophy from the 1st match.

http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny20xmen2019800320on7.jpg
Emma when fighting Phoenix does what Vector did in scan above- destroys building with a bolt of raw psionic energy, which strains her. Unlike Vector, who pussifyingly surrendered to Professor Huc, Emma later had enough skill and energy to escape undetected from said Phoeinx and Xavier.

Normally Vector’s attack tossed things or people around. That’s also manageable level for old regular Emma Frost:
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generationx01817mn0.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newmutantsannual0432sx5.jpg

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx3_ycBr

What’s more, the energy swords (crossing them) can easily provide you with a shield from an attack like that:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099181_energyshield/
That’s how potent building explosion was- the level of Vector’s best feats and Nimrod blowing up Forge’s lab.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099180_Teen_Titans_057-31/

I‘ve already touched how magic and psionic attacks have been effective against Vector in all other cases except from Gamma Base one. So disruption tactic still effective there (considering that Vector’s power level isn’t amped (no plausible way to do that))…and that paves our way for another tactic I’ve addressed in the end of my #2 post, specifying combat tactic for Alchemist.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099110_bondagesession/
Being wrapped into random cables left Nimrod defenceless for considerable amouth of time (a few seconds would be long enough of an opening). So, with a simple spell local plant life gives your gigantobot a nice bondage session:

http://www.picamatic.com/view/769466_AA-Robin166-009/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/769476_AA-Robin166-013/

And immediately after that those trees and lianas get transmuted into promethium to make sure bonds would hold you(alchemical\chemical knowledge of Nyssa, the best alchemist in DCU, ensures that she knows what promethium is).
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993062_01/

That leaves long enough of an opening for our solar overload attack (the energy comes from solar activity, not from Alchemist, so energy conventer won’t help you providing you have one).
Sundipping Superman hard enough so that he can ignore magic attacks for a minute and PWN magically powered Atlas.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099600_Superman-_016/
Zatanna uses the same spell (more stable version, but powering something up and overloading it is two different things in terms of need for stable energy) to power up JLA satellite:
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlav124411in4.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlav124412yq7.jpg
It blinds human-durable people (expect from spellcaster) but the only ones we have on the battlefield belong to your team. And since we’re at tropics there’s plenty of solar activity to concentrate and use to overload your gigantobot.

As for “scouting area using astral projection". Unlike Magik, Emma doesn’t need to enter trance-like state to send out her astral projection:
http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27724645rc1.jpg
She continues conversation in regular world while doing that:
http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14554686dh2.jpg

What’s next…remember, guys- it's 3 vs 1 there. And this 1 is horribly overrated there.

First of all, you claim the huge variety of attacks for your abomination. Let’s address it one-by-one.
I’ve shown (post #6) that growing gigantic would drain Nimrod’s energy reserves rather than amplify them- mass increasing drains his energy reserves and DAMAGES his internal structure. All that would be amplified is purely physical properties (strength to the extent), energy output would be roughly the same as at normal size if not smaller (too much factors external durability and Vector's repelling powers can't negate as shown on panel there)- and energy output is what matters there with range, power and other things they want to amplify:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099096_massweakness/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099097_massweakness2/
http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nimrod0ag3.jpg

With that thing, they claim that they can do, for example, that thing:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/?action=view&current=richardstech-1.jpg
It can shatter a moon, but it needs to be installed on the spaceship (and that’s ALL that we know about that weapon). It consumes horrible lots of power… far more than Nimrod can muster.

They use that scan to prove that Nimrod has sufficient energy output to power the thing:
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0024mf1.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen22027qt5.jpg
The word “freeze” wasn’t used there in a sense “drop temperature below zero”. The O.N.E. sentinels were attacked by EMP that shut down their systems. Karima Shapandar is immune to EMP and pwning lesser generation of Sentinel is hardly a feat.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1106849_X-Men_Unlimited_27-22/
Omega Sentinel (fighting against her sentinel programming and minutes after transformation) pwns a bunch of regular Prime Sentinels, them being her inferiors.

The f*ck you’re seeing the energy output equal to a flagship of Skrull fleet there?

Vector’s attacks were successfully dodged by White Tiger- aka low streetleveler. Somebody who has dodged energy blasts from Supergirl and has “trophy" aerial combat skills of DCUA Hawkwoman.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/882326_Teen_Titans_048_-_page_13/
Dodging Supergirl blasts>>>repeating the stunt WHITE TIGER did multiple times. Emeralda can easily move on tourney cap speed (Martian physiology allows for that, and Emeralda's stamina>>>Miss Martian stamina due to much bigger and much more well-developed reserve of psionic energy).

There’s also handy “Early warning” power Emeralda possesses- reading thought “fingerprints” aka osmosis. Here she picks it up from Dreaming Celestial who is>>>>>>>>>> your overrated unstable gigantic robot.
http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen496012el4.jpg
It can be used for early warning against attacks (akin to Spider-sense).
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generationx00616gr9.jpg
That + Martian reaction speed= dodging your attacks is a piece of cake.

That also means that another your “weapon of doom” can be dodged (providing you have energy and power sufficient to build that, which is really unlikely):

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6856/fantasticfour07219do5.jpg
Here’s your Sonic Shark- a slowass overrated gigantic missle. Just' being aimed at Silver Surfer won't make it end all be all of weaponry. Johnny Storm easily keeps up with it and he is hardly high Max speeds flier.

Also Ben Grimm is strong enough to bat it off his way- Emeralda most likely can repeat that stunt (due to her psionic energy reserve being increased “stalemating Supergirl” level is now her regular operating level instead of the one she can maintain for a couple of minutes).

Or we can just teleport the damn thing out of our way. Just as easy as that slice of pizza (it can't attack multiple targets at once and fight is 3 on 1).
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l119/BlazingNeurons/Scans%20Daily/PizzaBeGone.jpg

Or turn your own weaponry against you.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1117633_Terror_Titians-_004/
It’s funny how with simple spell your weaponry attacks you. And you surely made sure it's advanced beyond limits of logic.

Your next pile of stuff.
Attacks Nimrod used on Juggernaut.

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm194page17ah6.jpg
The thing is effective only in tight beam, dispersed\ambient version that attacks those who is close to that attack causes mere headache. Which Emma Frost (for example) can withstand on her own pretty well and continue using her powers:
http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generationx16pg01pq3.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generationx16pg0203nl8.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generationx16pg04qq6.jpg

http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm194page19sy3.jpg
Synapse Dislocutor? That’s tactile attack. There’s no chance for you to use it at long range apart from your wishful thinking.
And guess what?
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen201008ya3.jpg
Complete control over her own neural impulses so that bio toxins won’t work on her.

That leaves you with…
http://img245.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=63034_-4_page_19_4-_122_517lo.jpg
Nice try, but it needs to be directly aimed (thus no chances of working against widespread\area attacks or on moving targets) and be constantly on, not to mention it’s useless as soon as opponent starts using anything other than electromagnetic energy. Seriously…it’s just an energy cage, depending on victim using electromagnetic powers while in cage to power it up.
Also here it’s used to isolate single target surrounded by multiple people to prevent escaping. Here the odds are my 3 characters vs your single one (you have one overrated amalgam+2 street level people). Conclusion- really useless kind of trap for that particular setting. As most of your stuff is…

That’s all what I have to say. I’m posting the links\quotes to my posts #2 and #6 I was referring during that debunking, and that’s all for now.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
[b]Charlotte's post #2
aka The Debunking of Incredible Stretchers

Let’s begin with another big (or not so) feat of Vector aka the Gamma base feat from the Incredible Hulk #277.

We see that apparently everyone in the world appears in that scene- from Strange and Xavier to Spiderman and Daredevil (next panel shows us Alpha Flight in Canada and the Krylovs siblings in Minsk- they’re apparently also interested in saving Hulk…or most likely don’t care and are shown for dramatic purpose).
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1071458_Hulk277_05a/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1071459_Hulk277_05b/

Later in issue the “All-mighty” Vector gets horribly pwned by some low meta alien chick- movie director with fancy bag. So…are we to believe that low meta alien and some wound up toys>>>damn near everyone in the Earth?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1071433_Hulk277_07a/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1071434_Hulk277_10b/

Or more likely it was PIS? Also the words about Cerebro are misleading- the earlier model was built specifically to detect mutants, and U-Foes... well, nobody of them is a mutant. And Vector’s powers weren’t the lowest thing to do that to Xavier’s powers back in the 80ies…how’bout school canteen or basketball game?
http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firestarlimitedseries01ez0.jpg

Emma’s Mutivac was more reliable piece of tech in that regard than earlier models of Chuck's Cerebro.

The Strange thing in that arc is also misleading- though during that arc the writers of Incredible Hulk had purpose to establish Hulk as #1 Defender. How to do that with the roster including Strange and Hellstorm? Answer- make every of them but Hulk job horribly in a Hulk book. Strange was PISed down at Magik's level…really.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1065419_Hulk278_14b/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1065360_Hulk278_15a/
Poor Strange jobs so that Wolverine can hail Huc the Almighty. LOL.

But enough with what one may call “simply calling PIS what I don’t like”. The other thing that characterizes that event as PIS was... Vector being horribly PWNed in all his later encounters by every single telepath or mage.

Here the Leader pwns him- a B- or C- list telepath at best:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1065230_Incredible_Hulk_398-04/

The Controller- another dude not qualified enough even to lick Emma’s boots:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1064719_HeroesForHire04p20/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1065109_HeroesForHire04p21/

Double ownage- by both low tier mage and TP from SHIELD’s roster.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1076545_img004-005/

So where’s the allmighty defences in all those scans? Answer- nowhere. If they ever were anywhere.

Also, Vector’s powers are nothing but blasts of telekinetic energy… easily dodgeable blasts. That’s why Vector was horribly PWNed by White Tiger multiple times. You just need to be a bit more agile than Hulk to do that.
Observe.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1064658_HeroesForHire1p31/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1064664_HeroesForHire1p32/

And she does that again…
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1065072_HeroesForHire04p19/

Vector supposedly greatest feat, “reality ripping”, happened as side effect of the attempt of Vector to destroy the prison and kill some investigators or whatever, but at the same time it failed to kill people it was aimed at.

Observe.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1071445_The_Incredible_Hulk_v2_-_304_-_09/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1071473_The_Incredible_Hulk_v2_-_304_-_10/

Note the woman sitting right in front of Vector on the 1st panel of the 1st scan. She’s supposed to take the bulk of the hit. If it was really tearing through the fabric of reality, the poor thing should have been vaporized into nothingness! However, in the bottom of second scan she’s alive and well, observing the U-Foes disappearing.

LOL at “reality ripping” that can’t even damage the hairdo of some lady (the investigators in the scan were regular humans). That was horrible plot induced thing to explain U-Foes getting into that strange world where they faced Hulk.

Now to Nimrod. You claimed him to be the almighty technopath based on what? Hacking Forge’s systems? We don’t know how exactly advanced his software was, but what we know is that Forge looked very nooby when it comes to defences in his sowtware.

http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen030012zy9.jpg

Password “Ororo” 🤨

Now tell me guys, who the hell protects his defensive systems with password which is not only a meaningful word, but the name of your girlfriend whom you almost married? Noobs and lamers.

Forge may subconsciously build impressive hardware (sometimes not even realising how it works), but software isn't his cup of tea.

Now observe how pros work:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1082506_Batman633-19/

No meaningful words. Random combination of letters and numbers. Oracle might not be the best in DC, when it comes to inventing tech, but she’s the best there is when it comes to computers, databases and technopathy. What does that mean for Saraswati? She’s good enough to PWN dude with exactly ONE technopathical feat shown, involving hacking nooby password (only "12345" or "qwerty" would be lamer combos).

His another claim to fame against the virus attack of ours is that he seemingly was able to adjust his programming to timeline shifting. That's myth and let's bust that.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1098859___hr_Page_40/
What he does there is comparing two data streams to map and locate a person in timestream. That helps to defend against viruses how?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1098775_Birds_of_Prey_030-07/
Here Oracle does just the same Nimrod does in that scan of yours. Tracking Black Canary in the timestream following her signature (broadcasting frequency in that case).

Reed's smarts won't help as well, as Barbara is as capable as a hacker\technopath can be without getting actual superpowers. Here she's trashing Brainiac, a dude who's smarter than Reed.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/987695_page18/

Planetary level computer attack gets treated as if it were some joke.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1070759_Countdown_038_page_08/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1070765_Countdown_038_page_11/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1070769_Countdown_038_page_20/

Now to Nimrod’s physical defences. Scoobs and Leo already pointed out a few gaps in it. I’ll show a bit more of them.
How'bout being pwned by tag-team composed of Dust, Mercury and Surge? Hardly herald or even high meta people:
http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31016kc9.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31018en8.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31021jr7.jpg

If electricity from Surge was able to put Nimrod in the world of hurt, then Saraswati horribly obliterates him or whatever amalgam he's in.

Electrical storm that took out the entire invasion corps of Genosha Magistrates:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1003736_Excalibur_04_(22)/

Combined with1000+ viruses invading into his software? It’s a horrible, horrible pwnage. And we can make it even more horrible.

Lately it was shown that Zachary has become a disciple of Zatanna and it helped him to overcome his limitations a bit. For example, he can now cast spells directly affecting sentient beings even if the duration is short.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099600_Superman-_016/
Here he gives Superman a sundip potent enough to become able to trash magically powered Atlas in under a minute. A sundip was supposed to last a minute only, but it doesn't matter, as we won't be amping anyone. We would be OVERLOADING'em.

In the scan I've posted just above, Zachary roughly replicates that feat of his cousin's:
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlav124411in4.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlav124412yq7.jpg
A year's worth supply of solar energy (or the one to amp Superman enough so he can ignore magic) would a)overload Nymrod's energy cells; b)blind the rest of your team (the Boy Blue's prep is illegal, it isn't his equipment and in comics he was punished for taking it without permission)- my team conviniently has healing factors (everyone but Alchemist but being a spellcaster he's immune).

Solar energy can be converted into electrical easily with a simple spell. What's interesting in the scan is the amouth of energy channeled. Unstable giant Nimrod suffering from 1000+ viruses invading into his system would be overloaded for sure. [/B]

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
[b]Charlotte's post #6
Punishment for overconfident Smurphs

Let's start it in order. "Every mashine he wants"- scans or it never happened? All we saw is pre-established measures against certain mutant signatures+uneducated guess from Kitty Pryde who saw Nimrod for the 1st time and seriously thought it was some dude in armour:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1102018___hr_Page_17/
An uneducated guess from impressed 14-years old who was mostly dealing with one-trick ponies and was shown more bells and whistles than regular mutant powerset include- very "solid" proof.

Growing huge also won't cut it- as increased mass actually WEAKENS Nimrod, and most of Reed Richards' stuff you're claiming for him to built is REALLY energy-consuming.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099096_massweakness/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099097_massweakness2/

His attacks at giant size would actually most likely be weaker than in normal size.

And the last one. You claim him to use what? Like 8 attacks at once...when Nimrod's established weakness is UNABILITY to react on multiple powersets at once. That's why amalgams\tagteams were so effective against him. Observe.

Pwned by Kitty Pride+Colossus tag team:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099100_Uncanny_X-Men_209_(Large)-16/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099102_Uncanny_X-Men_209_%5D(Large)-17/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099103_Uncanny_X-Men_209_(Large)-18/

Pwned by Rogue\Colossus\Nightcrawler amalgam
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nimrod1te9.jpg

Pwned by tag team of Dust, Mercury and Surge
http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31016kc9.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31018en8.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31021jr7.jpg

All of that blatantly shows his unability to react on multiple targets\execute multiple attacks at once.

I've already adressed Vector's showings a couple posts above, and I only have to add one thing- Vector's powers are psionic and NOTHING in Prodigy amalgam allows to amplify psionic powers (telekinesis). That means that his attacks would be at same power level as in his normal size- building-destroying at best.
Emma's manipulation of raw psionic energy is sufficient to deal with Vector's best attacks- which I'll adress a bit above.

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Summary:

They use a character that can't stand rapid mass increases to grow giant claiming it would power him up.

They use physical powers to somehow power up psionically based character (Vector)

They use claim from impressed girl not knowing WTF is Nimrod to prove him creating and using multiple pieces of sophisticated weaponry at once, when it was established as his WEAKNESS being unable to react on multiple targets\signatures at once.

"He'll evolve" not going to cut it. If he failed to evolve during his entire history, why he would suddenly do that now? [/B]

Dr Hackenbush wrote on Oct 5th, 2008 01:49 PM:

Charlette v.s Smurph and Blair:

This was the most obvious to me. From the getco, Charlotte's argument was a huge mega what the ****. I mean her argument didn't even make sense. Though i felt smurph half assed this debate in particular, I almost felt as if he didn't have to try to hard. it was just a matter of correcting her. Her fallacy, and ill comprehension of scans, and trying to jump from letter's A to D without B and C, subjugates her to a brutal loss.

Symmetric Chaos wrote on Oct 4th, 2008 08:19 PM:
Bdub/Smurph Vs. Charlotte

My head hurts . . . a lot. Thanks guys.

It was a long confusing match to have to judge and I don't have the space, time or will power to actually go through the points that swung it back and forth but overall I believed Charlotte's arguments more than I did BW and Smurph's. Brilliantly clever plans and meshings all around nonetheless.

Vote: Charlotte

This match was very close. I found myself going back and re-checking each point and counter point that was presented over and over again to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Upon final analysis, though both plans offer a lot of supposition and call for some suspension of disbelief to one degree or another, I have to vote for Charlotte's plan as I don't feel BDub/Scoob have adequate defenses for the computer virus attack with their highly tech based amalgam (also not accounting for their genie endowed defenses being removed due to the rule violation), and Charlotte also cast enough doubt in my mind that Nimrod, even enlarged to gigantic proportions, would not be capable of producing the power output for all of the various weaponry configurations and attacks that BDub/Smurph presented since no member of the amalgamation save for Vector brings any kind of energy projection/manipulation powers to the table at all, and Vector only brings concussive blasts of TK for repelling matter/energy at that. Very close match though.

Judge's Vote: Charlotte

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

ooooo.... chain drived.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
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ooooo.... chain drived.

Sort of. Credit for whitehaired awesomeness that's K' goes to SNK, credit for a pic of pwned Smurph goes to Leo.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I have to vote for Charlotte's plan as I don't feel BDub/Scoob have adequate defenses for the computer virus attack

It's not my fault ... I kept trying to get him to change his plan but he was all "you're not even involved in this match so I'm not listening"

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Originally posted by Scoobless
It's not my fault ... I kept trying to get him to change his plan but he was all "you're not even involved in this match so I'm not listening"

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