Originally posted by NewjakFirst off. Thepoint that SBP beat Him with that much power and durability still says something. Which was my point.
First off the fight with Ion as when Sodam had just gotten the Ion power and wasn't accustomed to it. Secondly the fight was fairly even until lead was introduced into Sodam's system.Next Surfer or Stardust could do to Hal what Superman Blue did to Kyle. Short circuit his mind making it impossible to summon his power.
As to the heralds as of his last appearance Terrax destroyed a planet in one blow.
Surfer and stardust could do to hal what Superman blue to kyle? Um. Two different characters with different sets. Sblue was different from surfer and used his powers differently. And Hal is not Kyle.
As for terrax, it's easy to swing on a planet that can't move, or roll with the blow, or block it.
Originally posted by fangirl101His weakness was exposed and he isnt that impressive and was new to his powers. You try to ignore these factors and hype him up but it fails.
First off. Thepoint that SBP beat Him with that much power and durability still says something. Which was my point.Surfer and stardust could do to hal what Superman blue to kyle? Um. Two different characters with different sets. Sblue was different from surfer and used his powers differently. And Hal is not Kyle.
As for terrax, it's easy to swing on a planet that can't move, or roll with the blow, or block it.
Surfer>Ion any day of the week.
Originally posted by fangirl101I was just pointing out that the Ion fight was not as lopsided as what you described, at least not until lead got involved.
First off. Thepoint that SBP beat Him with that much power and durability still says something. Which was my point.Surfer and stardust could do to hal what Superman blue to kyle? Um. Two different characters with different sets. Sblue was different from surfer and used his powers differently. And Hal is not Kyle.
As for terrax, it's easy to swing on a planet that can't move, or roll with the blow, or block it.
Not really Surfer's powerset is pretty much to have any power set he wants. Besides all Blue did was wreck with Kyle's nervous system, something Surfer and Stardust can do.
My point with Terrax was for everyone saying he was a jobber, which he was, and that he would be a non-factor in this fight. Because I don't care what you think when someone can split a planet in half with one blow you are always a factor in a fight like this.
Originally posted by NewjakIt might also be worth reminding folks that even after Galactus originally took back Terrax's Power Cosmic (and reverted his body to its original form), Terrax still had enough power to render Dr. Doom's armor inoperable despite Doom's defenses. If he was a jobber, then he was a jobber with some darn good feats spread across those years of "jobbering".
I was just pointing out that the Ion fight was not as lopsided as what you described, at least not until lead got involved.Not really Surfer's powerset is pretty much to have any power set he wants. Besides all Blue did was wreck with Kyle's nervous system, something Surfer and Stardust can do.
My point with Terrax was for everyone saying he was a jobber, which he was, and that he would be a non-factor in this fight. Because I don't care what you think when someone can split a planet in half with one blow you are always a factor in a fight like this.
Originally posted by Newjak
I was just pointing out that the Ion fight was not as lopsided as what you described, at least not until lead got involved.Not really Surfer's powerset is pretty much to have any power set he wants. Besides all Blue did was wreck with Kyle's nervous system, something Surfer and Stardust can do.
My point with Terrax was for everyone saying he was a jobber, which he was, and that he would be a non-factor in this fight. Because I don't care what you think when someone can split a planet in half with one blow you are always a factor in a fight like this.
Originally posted by fangirl101Who has terrax jobbed to or lost to thats so terrible in your opinion?
So terax's one showing negates the years of jobbering he's had. I'm glad to know that. I'll apply that principle to darkseid in my debates. Surfer would know to do that and get close enough to a GL to do that like Superman could? And why wouldn't a GL be ready for an attack like that now? Don't thier rings communicate? Wouldn't they send that info back to OA and the rings would provide defense against that kind of attack?
Originally posted by fangirl101Well considering it isn't just one showing but is very last showing, I think I'll use it as a gauge for Terrax can do now.
So terax's one showing negates the years of jobbering he's had. I'm glad to know that. I'll apply that principle to darkseid in my debates. Surfer would know to do that and get close enough to a GL to do that like Superman could? And why wouldn't a GL be ready for an attack like that now? Don't thier rings communicate? Wouldn't they send that info back to OA and the rings would provide defense against that kind of attack?
There are a lot of question marks in that last couple of paragraphs. As to the first one Cosmic Awareness is an amazing thing.
As to the rest with all the attacks that have worked on a GL in the past you'd think they be darn near invulnerable now. Oh wait they still get beaten up.
Originally posted by Newjak
Well considering it isn't just one showing but is very last showing, I think I'll use it as a gauge for Terrax can do now.There are a lot of question marks in that last couple of paragraphs. As to the first one Cosmic Awareness is an amazing thing.
As to the rest with all the attacks that have worked on a GL in the past you'd think they be darn near invulnerable now. Oh wait they still get beaten up.
Originally posted by fangirl101Which does not equate to them being able to counter all attacks directed at a GL which has been shown numerous times.
For the sake of story. It's been shown the rings store information shared by other rings. I guess I can use Giant DS in the debates as his last power level since it's ok to use that for Terrax.
Isn't that what you try and do anyways?
Even though its neither here nor there, I wouldn't have a problem with a giant Darkseid as it falls within his powerset and demonstrated power. Heck, Thanos has giant-sized himself without the use of an external powerup, IIRC.
As for the Green Lantern rings, their protective power still has a basis on the level of charge, willpower, and concentration. An evolved shark was able to get through Hal's physical and psychological defenses, so couldn't a Herald surprise him the same way?