Current Silver Surfer vs. Current Infinity Man

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't trust a "look" like that. I'm always hearing a bout a look, or finder beams, or some other reason why DS didn't really use the OE despite it being mentioned, but did you ever stop to think that maybe the look of the visual depiction of the OE isn't portrayed as consistently as you like to think and maybe that's the reason it gets called into question so much? Your case would be ok if there weren't evidence to the contrary but there is and it's very specific.

Originally posted by Ambient
OE = OB, they are one and the same however the application of it can be of different ways like say concussive force blast, space time/reality, matter manipulation and etc..

If you look at the scan carefully notice that if it was concussive force it would have either bounce or thrown off Supes not sourround him. I think it was more like a matter or teleportation attack which Supes at that moment resisted.. Just my 2cents..

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Agreed.
I always assumed that DS decided what effect the OB's had on his opponent, (i.e. obliteration, transportation, transmutation, etc.) I think anything else is just arguing semantics.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again,where are you getting your info from?

The OE is another name for the Omega Force, the actual accumulation of DS' power over oblivion, the actual power that he controls. The beams are mostly just the manifestation of this power, but the OE is extremely versatile so he can make the beams achieve different things.

In the instance with Supes, they are just concussive/basic energy type beams. Their energy output is quite different when he reality manips, erases peopLe from existence, resurrect people etc.

So you are right in saying his beams are just his beams, but fangirl is talking about the different abilities he has through these beams, and DS was just hurting Supes, he wasn't trying to kill him or erase him from existence.

So though he may have used his OB's it doesn't mean he was using the OE to full effect through the beams.

EDIT: Remember DS energy output isn't restricted to the beams alone. He can project energy through his hands, or through his mind without any obvious energy display. The OB's are just a means to direct the power of the OF/OE.

Originally posted by Allankles
The OE is another name for the Omega Force, the actual accumulation of DS' power over oblivion, the actual power that he controls. The beams are mostly just the manifestation of this power, but the OE is extremely versatile so he can make the beams achieve different things.

In the instance with Supes, they are just concussive/basic energy type beams. Their energy output is quite different when he reality manips, erases peopLe from existence, resurrect people etc.

So you are right in saying his beams are just his beams, but fangirl is talking about the different abilities he has through these beams, and DS was just hurting Supes, he wasn't trying to kill him or erase him from existence.

So though he may have used his OB's it doesn't mean he was using the OE to full effect through the beams.

He erased Cyborg with the beams so I fail to see your point.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I tell you what, Find one instance where he mentions the actual effect, AND the look, and it fails. I bet you, you won't.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2104-17.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2104-18.jpg
Let me try anyway, in the scan above he mentions the omega beams then used it, but instead of concussive force its got a teleportation effect..

Anyway here's another scan of what the application of OB..
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/martianmanhunter34kebbin22.jpg
In this scan Lighray say's somethin about DS omega beam. It being able to teleport through space and time and as well as obliterate..

So either OB/OE is one and the same or OB is like what Allankles say a manifestation of OF which carry the effect (OE)..

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is no difference. He used the full power of the omega beams on Cyborg before.

He erased Cyborg with the beams so I fail to see your point.

What do you fail to see? The OE/OF is the power DS wields. The beams are just the actual physical manifestation of the this power and he can achieve different things with the beams like transporting people through space or even time, resurrection, erasing people from existence warping reality etc.

In the instance with Supes, Kal El was an unwitting ally at the time and DS wasn't going to attempt to kill Supes on New Genesis, he was merely stopping Supes from attacking him.

The beams don't just do one thing they achieve different effects depending on what Darkseid wants to use the OE for. He doesn't even have to use the beams for some of his abilities he can project energy through other means too.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is no difference. He used the full power of the omega beams on Cyborg before.

He erased Cyborg with the beams so I fail to see your point.

What did DS ever do to you?

This?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GfgnBEZsj4

OE=OB=BH 💃

Originally posted by Ambient
Sorry but i fail to understand what you meant...

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2104-17.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2104-18.jpg
Let me try anyway, in the scan above he mentions the omega beams then used it, but instead of concussive force its got a teleportation effect..

Anyway here's another scan of what the application of OB..
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/martianmanhunter34kebbin22.jpg
In this scan Lighray say's somethin about DS omega beam. It being able to teleport through space and time and as well as obliterate..

So either OB/OE is one and the same or OB is like what Allankles say a manifestation of OF which carry the effect (OE)..

Unless I'm mistaken, He announces the more exotic and potent effects. Anything else is concussive force. So the Actual Omega Effect, which is usually the total wipeout is announced. How ever it works, we know that the powers do different effects and at different levels. And he's like a cat playing with his food, he never goes str8 for the kill. So we never know what intensity he's firing what.

Originally posted by Allankles
What do you fail to see? The OE/OF is the power DS wields. The beams are just the actual physical manifestation of the this power and he can achieve different things with the beams like transporting people through space or even time, resurrection, erasing people from existence warping reality etc.

Omega Force ( OF )

is the power that flows through DS..

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http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-04-20.jpg

Omega beam ( OB ) is the omega energies ( manifestation of OF )

Omega effect ( OE ) would be the result of what he wants OF to do... ie.... teleport, blast, resurrect.. etc.. etc...

I retract what i said in my earlier post.. OF/OB is one and the same, the power.. lol i feel like a freakin geek..lol

Originally posted by fangirl101
Unless I'm mistaken, He announces the more exotic and potent effects. Anything else is concussive force. So the Actual Omega Effect, which is usually the total wipeout is announced. How ever it works, we know that the powers do different effects and at different levels. And he's like a cat playing with his food, he never goes str8 for the kill. So we never know what intensity he's firing what.

i was mainly arguing the fact that OB is merely a concussive force blast, OF is handblast and EF is the more exotic aspect of DS powers, that is what fangirl is implying..

Anyhow later..

geek

Good thread
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Originally posted by fangirl101
Unless I'm mistaken, He announces the more exotic and potent effects. Anything else is concussive force. So the Actual Omega Effect, which is usually the total wipeout is announced. How ever it works, we know that the powers do different effects and at different levels. And he's like a cat playing with his food, he never goes str8 for the kill. So we never know what intensity he's firing what.

Originally posted by Mindset
geek

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Totally way of topic dough..