Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hate to be a stickler, but leo's above post counts as a match post since he's making an argument.Both squads are at 7 posts, by my count. I have 2 scans-only posts, but those don't count toward the regular 10.
no worries--i'd intended for it to count.
so, let's start with this:
Already dealt with. The lightning has been established to transform the user but harm those around them. How do I know this? Because that's what happens every friggin' time it's ever been used in comics. Quit making things up.
we're not making anything up. you'd be quite right in your assessment IF dhii WAS the "intended user".
he most certainly is NOT.
he usurped the wills of the children. that muddies EVERYTHING that follows. your refutation is misleading and answers a completely different question and scenario. we can't be 'making things up' when what you've done is unique, my friend, and as such, subject to all the questions and doubts we raised.
as for the rest:
heh.
someone's getting desperate . . .
first, let's look at his, ahem, "HIGH HERALD LEVEL OFFENSE":
(1) lightning: we are so darn big, that even if he DID call it and hit us, it would damage such a truly MINISCULE part of our whole that we would scarcely notice. beyond that, we can create our OWN lightning by transforming into a BATTERY, complete with acid, copper and zinc. i've never seen batman bake an apple pie, but i'm pretty sure he could . . . lastly--ULTIMO is IMMUNE to lightning attacks. (scoob has the scan to show this)
note too that digi glossed over a couple points as relates to the lightning--asketh leo: "digimark, has mary or freddy ever called the lightning for offense?"
his reply? still forthcoming . . . 😖hifty:
he also mentioned something about lightning the width of a mountain. asketh leo: "digimark, have you proof of this mountain-wide lightning?"
his reply? still forthcoming . . . 😖hifty:
(2) his "high herald level" whirlwind: heh
first, WE ARE AS FAST AS HE IS. we could EASILY simply counteract the whirlwind, as i've said 10 times. also, speedsters tend not to be affected by them anyways! wouldn't do to get dizzy WHILE PRODUCING a whirlwind. likely has to do with hyper-speed perceptions . . . another point i meant to raise earlier--digi said the earlier scan i showed of shift BEING "whirlwinded" was self-regulated, or something . . . that scan showed a speedster whirlwinding him. it affected shift for a moment, then he was back and PO'D. that was an UNAMPED shift, who didn't have an accelerated healing factor and could NOT move at mach 10. he also wasn't KILOMETERS wide! before he even BEGAN his whirlwind, we could shift form and just swat him with a promethium fist moving at mach 10 that is the size of a building.
(3) killing cortez: as we said, his powers don't fade immediately. however, he would never REACH cortez before we do. we are each 0.5km from YOU, but NOT from each other (think of a triangle with sides ab and ac being equal, (0.5km) but side ac being much shorter (0.1km, for example)). first he would need to FIND cortez, then dig under the earth. all we need to do is grab cortez with a small part of our mass and he's safe in promethium. he has no way of killing cortez. specially since we hit him in the opening tenths of a second with our cloud form. no way he finds cortez before we reach him OR cortez.
(4) kk's "skillz": useless . . . . the only thing they would be good for is maybe trying to break a promethium sphere we hold him in. but even if he COULD break it, we'd just make a new one--IF THAT WAS THE OFFENSE WE CHOSE. in a very REAL sense, any promethium we held him in would be ALIVE. if he cracked or broke it, so? we remake it, as many times as needed. while he's repeatedly breaking out of the spheres, we bring in cortez to overload him. simple as.
(5) er . . . fly us to the sun: 😑
at mach 10 . . . that would take a while. and, well . . . we could just, you know, fly off the piece of rock you're carrying. 😐 no offense digi m'man, but . . . .
dumbest.
attack.
ever.
😂
(course that's pretty much all he's left with in terms of offensive options . . . 🙂 )
(6) thunderclap: well, i guess you could, but . . . i have no idea how it would help you. even if you disrupted a small piece of us, the rest of us would swarm all over you! AND you'd be standing still, making an easy target. the force would be directed in front of you, part of us would come BEHIND you and you'd be finished. again, digi isn't quite getting the whole size issue here. WE ARE A KILOMETERS WIDE CLOUD, DESCENDING ON HIM AT MACH 10 FROM ALL SIDES. he's like a friggin a dust mote to us (but shift can see molecular structures, so we easily see him despite the size differences).
so, again, i'm forced to ask--what offense?
for all his 'herald power' (he's most likely 66% of cap marvel with kk's skills. surfer is hardly shaking in his boots . . .) he really has NO OFFENSE against us! nothing we can't instantly counter, flat out ignore, or simply heal from. he has absolutely NO WAY of taking ALL of our mass out.
minimal options--sigh . . . one of the drawbacks to being a brick.
meanwhile, while he's battling part of us, the REST of us comes from behind. we could become some crazy, 1000ft tall semi-liquid form with a hundred arms, all moving at mach 10!! we LITERALLY have more offensive options than i can state in these write-ups. we can become some sticky, plasticman-type slop that slows him down. he'd have to continually fight to escape while we use cortez to overload him, or infiltrate him and harden inside his body.
let's say we became a robot and wanted to go h2h. he would need to HIT us to harm us. as he tried, we'd become liquid, surround him, then turn to promethium, over and over again. or while he's encased FORCE ourselves into his body--holding your breath is great unless someone is FORCING water down your throat. or in your ears, or up your nasal cavities, or through any opening we can find. 😈 then we solidify INSIDE you and you are done. or forget solidifying--we become nanites and worm our way into his cybernetic systems.
again, he has NO OPTIONS--all have been UTTERLY refuted. we have many many options (almost all of them shown on-panel), that he continually glosses over.
for all his talk about a 'team buster' . . . so? who isn't? ultimo crushed an ARMY of ironmen! solo. we've made him even UBER-ER!
and please note--we REALLY (truly) don't care if he gets his power. though he STILL never answered the question about how he speaks both words in any coherent, wipes-out-all-doubt manner.
well, unless you somehow call THIS coherent:
Speculation. It isn't lightning period that reverts them, a popular misconception. And since the power is specific to Mary or Freddy (depending on whose doing the calling) and from different sources, they won't interfere with each other.
heh. and he says WE'RE speculating . . . it's not lightning, period? then . . . show me something ELSE that reverts their powers. please. 😄
he won't. he can't. it's a fact--mary and freddy must SPEAK the magic wordS. with one mouth, how does he speak both words and not lose the first power he summoned when he is struck by the second lightning bolt? anyone? judges? 😕 (I know at first glance it SEEMS a silly point, but really, i see no way around it . . .)
anyway, his offense is meaningless--seriously. in whatever form he's in. review his options and look what he's been left to attempt (fly us into the sun at mach 10! heh). we are simply too big and too versatile for him to deal with. we have many very sound offensive options that he couldn't counter. we are literally EVERYWHERE. he can't take us out. he can't avoid us. he can't run away from us.
oh, and about scramber. i showed him scrambling cable. he bypassed cable's cynetic components and DIRECTLY SCRAMBLED HIS POWER. that is exactly what his touch would do to the marvels' powers. and they only have a tiny portion of shazam's might. if he can scramble nate grey's abilities, he could scramble THEIR power--assuming dhii would even be granted the power in the first place . . .
so, to review: his brick (strength+striking power) vs our massive, enormously versatile character against whom his striking and strength are useless.
versatility+power>>power alone.
honestly, as tough as his character might be against certain foes, he just ran up against the wrong opponent this round. we're simply too much for him.
