Originally posted by EnyalusBeing "far more careful" means absolutely nothing here. Either Marek or Dooku would quickly take him out of the equation with the Force; the former completely overpowered Darth Vader, and the latter has actually done so to Obi-Wan twice already.
Hells no. The ROTS team wins this. ROTS Anakin would murder Marek with a blade, and Obi-Wan's Soresu can hold off Dooku nearly indefinitely.Now some of you are going to say, "LOL BUT HE GOT RAGDOLLED BY DOOKU B4!" Yeah. And that was pretty stupid, true. But just like when he faces him in AOTC, he knows he's going to be on his own, and is going to be far more careful.
Anakin wouldn't fare much better, if any. The dark-side team sweeps this.
Originally posted by Faunus
Being "far more careful" means absolutely nothing here. Either Marek or Dooku would quickly take him out of the equation with the Force; the former completely overpowered Darth Vader, and the latter has actually done so to Obi-Wan twice already.
Twice? Does the second happen in the CW movie or something? (I haven't seen it and don't plan to.)
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Ok, w/e Dooku alone was toying with Skywalker and Kenobi in ROTS. Had Dooku KO'd Anakin first instead of Kenobi, then Obi-Wan would have succumbed to the superior saber skills of teh Count Dooku.
He never comes anything close to 'toying' with Anakin in Revenge of the Sith. The novelization shows Dooku using the Force to move a table and pin Anakin with it early on in the fight - but that's contradicted by the movie and thus non-canon. Later on in the fight, Dooku tosses shrapnel at Anakin with the Force and Anakin casually slaps it aside with the Force (this is also non-canon).
But yeah, Dooku's Makashi is the shit. Fencing rules.
Originally posted by Enyalus
He never comes anything close to 'toying' with Anakin in Revenge of the Sith.
Initially, yes he was. Though I agree that he was being forced back by the duo (not just Skywalker), he did not attack him offensively with the Force -- despite the great history of effectiveness that has against him -- and casually kicked him aside when bearing down on Kenobi. That he would continue to goad him throughout the fight is a sign that Dooku was not worried about Skywalker at all.
Not until it was far too late. Once Skywalker unleashed his full fury, well, then it didn't matter if Dooku pulled his head out of his ass. Not that I don't disagree with the idea that Skywalker was the better swordsman or, at least, the more devastating one, but Dooku's mastery of the Force gave him an advantage in many ways. Likely why he wasn't so worried about pushing Anakin's buttons.
Dooku was a master of Dun Möch, so I think it was a conscious part of his saber technique, as opposed to him simply not being worried about Anakin (although that could also be true).
We see him taunting Yoda in a similar manner - which IMO is absolutely stupid.
I agree that Dooku's mastery of the Force should have given him more advantages and thus ways to defeat Skywalker. Palpatine telling Dooku to challenge him in a duel would have made him think twice before using Force attacks on Anakin...that's really the only explanation I can come up with for him not using that advantage in their battle, besides PIS.