Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If he is a "machine", then how did Rocky KO him?Remember when Rocky cut Drago? Tony yelled "He's not a machine, he's a man!"
Drago gave it all he had, he couldn't KO Rocky. Lang did so with relative ease.
Rocky 3 was a lot softer than Rocky 4, fact. Take Rocky from part 3 and have him face Drago, he would be killed, as Creed was. Drago kills, Lang just talks shit and punches old men.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Rocky was soft in 3? Dude, that is the biggest line of horseshit I have ever heard. Have you forgotten the beating he took in the second fight?Rocky might have been a bit stronger in 4, but in 3 he was just as tough and a helluva lot faster.
I said "softer", not he was soft.
Nonsense, he trained the hardest he's ever trained in part 4, he had to, Drago was a steroid-pumped killing machine.
Originally posted by RobtardRocky was just as hard to knock out in 4 as he was 3. Fighters train to get faster and stronger, not to have a harder jaw. He was a better fighter in 4, but was able to take the same amount of punishment as he did in 3. Drago gave it his all, man, and Rocky was not KO'd. Lang KO'd him, I don't see why that is so hard to understand.
I said "softer", not he was soft.Nonsense, he trained the hardest he's ever trained in part 4, he had to, Drago was a steroid-pumped killing machine.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Rocky was just as hard to knock out in 4 as he was 3. Fighters train to get faster and stronger, not to have a harder jaw. He was a better fighter in 4, but was able to take the same amount of punishment as he did in 3. Drago gave it his all, man, and Rocky was not KO'd. Lang KO'd him, I don't see why that is so hard to understand.
Actually, they train to take a hit too, that's part of the training.
Anyhow, Drago killed (as in dead, not KO'd) Creed and Creed was better than Lang, ergo, Drago puts the beat-down of Lang. I win the thread.
Originally posted by RobtardYes, they can train to take a hit, but if you are talking about pure toughness, having a rock jaw or a glass jaw, that cannot be trained.
Actually, they train to take a hit too, that's part of the training.Anyhow, Drago killed (as in dead, not KO'd) Creed and Creed was better than Lang, ergo, Drago puts the beat-down of Lang. I win the thread.
Creed was retired, man. He thought Drago was a pushover, and he paid the price for not properly training.
Originally posted by Rogue JediActually, in 3 he was easier to knock out. He worried about Mickey possibly dying and he didn't have a real fight in years. He wasn't as trained as in any of the end fights, ever. He had gotten lazy, being the champion for a while and only facing weaker contenders.
Rocky was just as hard to knock out in 4 as he was 3. Fighters train to get faster and stronger, not to have a harder jaw. He was a better fighter in 4, but was able to take the same amount of punishment as he did in 3. Drago gave it his all, man, and Rocky was not KO'd. Lang KO'd him, I don't see why that is so hard to understand.
Originally posted by Bardock42End fight he was as well trained as he had ever been. Even more so, not counting 4.
Actually, in 3 he was easier to knock out. He worried about Mickey possibly dying and he didn't have a real fight in years. He wasn't as trained as in any of the end fights, ever. He had gotten lazy, being the champion for a while and only facing weaker contenders.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
After Clubber knocked him out in three.
Again. Yes, Clubber knocked Rocky out when he was in a bad shape and totally distracted by his friend DYING.
After he got over that, and trained (with no indication that he got any better than he was in the peak of Rocky IV, II or I), he took but three rounds to beat his opponent...faster than any other boxer he faced. Drago almost went to distance with a peak Rocky. Clubber beat a bad shaped Rocky, but got knocked down quickly by a peak Rocky.
Yes, Lang's knocking out Rocky doesn't really say much. Rocky's knocking out Lang, however, does. Those were fast jabs he was throwing at Lang, folks, not strong ones. In Rocky 4, however, Rocky was a strong, durable beast, much like "hitting a piece of iron." Still, Drago and Rocky fought for almost 15 rounds with both fighters totally bloodied up and with Rocky facing permanent brain damage. So, by logic, if Lang barely hurt a Rocky 3 Rocky, and Drago almost knocked out a Rocky 4 Rocky, then Drago can take stronger hits and give out stronger hits.
Originally posted by Bardock42Yeah, Rocky wasn't in the best shape their first fight, but that doesn't mean in the second fight he was capable of taking more punishment, does it?
Again. Yes, Clubber knocked Rocky out when he was in a bad shape and totally distracted by his friend DYING.After he got over that, and trained (with no indication that he got any better than he was in the peak of Rocky IV, II or I), he took but three rounds to beat his opponent...faster than any other boxer he faced. Drago almost went to distance with a peak Rocky. Clubber beat a bad shaped Rocky, but got knocked down quickly by a peak Rocky.
Rocky was faster in the second fight, in better shape, having just as much if not more power than before. But it took the same amount of punishment to knock himout in fight one as it would have in fight two. Difference in fight two was he was covering up more.
I am trying to stress that Lang's raw punching power is phenomenal.
i will say, however, thet Drago in roid rage mode and having state of the art training facilities puts Lang at a great disadvantage. Perhaps we can consider giving Lang all the same equipment, and having them fight on neutral ground? Has it been established where they are fighting?
Originally posted by DaveheadWait, Lang barely hurt Rocky? I seem to remember Rocky sprawled on the canvas with his face swollen like Jared Leto's in fight club.
Yes, Lang's knocking out Rocky doesn't really say much. Rocky's knocking out Lang, however, does. Those were fast jabs he was throwing at Lang, folks, not strong ones. In Rocky 4, however, Rocky was a strong, durable beast, much like "hitting a piece of iron." Still, Drago and Rocky fought for almost 15 rounds with both fighters totally bloodied up and with Rocky facing permanent brain damage. So, by logic, if Lang barely hurt a Rocky 3 Rocky, and Drago almost knocked out a Rocky 4 Rocky, then Drago can take stronger hits and give out stronger hits.
Originally posted by Rogue JediWhy would we consider that? So we can guess blindly?
Yeah, Rocky wasn't in the best shape their first fight, but that doesn't mean in the second fight he was capable of taking more punishment, does it?Rocky was faster in the second fight, in better shape, having just as much if not more power than before. But it took the same amount of punishment to knock himout in fight one as it would have in fight two. Difference in fight two was he was covering up more.
I am trying to stress that Lang's raw punching power is phenomenal.
i will say, however, thet Drago in roid rage mode and having state of the art training facilities puts Lang at a great disadvantage. Perhaps we can consider giving Lang all the same equipment, and having them fight on neutral ground? Has it been established where they are fighting?