Originally posted by Mindset
Does FL holding back explain how someone with class 10-15 strength was able to knock him out? Do we know SS could break free? Nope. I don't believe I was talking about Sentry's speed so I don't care, even though he has shown to be able to handle IM and Wolverine speed wise.Got scans of the fight with Terrax? Sentry didn't have to go full out to beat the female Ultron, who was running through the rest of the MA.
I was saying young Namor COULDN'T take old Namor the whole time 😐
Yes, because if your basically restricting your power and not amping his abilities he isn't that strong. Amping himself up Firelord can reach class 50, but he didn't do that. Also Spider-Man has beat even stronger people then class 50 before. Look at a boxing match a smaller oppoent can knock out a stronger one if the stronger one is to loose in a fight. Sweet, we don't know if he could or couldn't break free so not really a good example then was it?
No, and ok? Mighty Avengers sans Sentry are really not that strong even teenage Namor showed he was superior to majority of everyone on that team in the first Avengers/invaders issue.
"The point was young Namor could beat the current Namor, and Sentry has shown to be more powerful than current Namor." and even then your ignoring the context
Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes, because if your basically restricting your power and not amping his abilities he isn't that strong. Amping himself up Firelord can reach class 50, but he didn't do that. Also Spider-Man has beat even stronger people then class 50 before. Look at a boxing match a smaller oppoent can knock out a stronger one if the stronger one is to loose in a fight. Sweet, we don't know if he could or couldn't break free so not really a good example then was it?No, and ok? Mighty Avengers sans Sentry are really not that strong even teenage Namor showed he was superior to majority of everyone on that team in the first Avengers/invaders issue.
"The point was [b]young Namor could beat the current Namor
, and Sentry has shown to be more powerful than current Namor." and even then your ignoring the context [/B]
Since when did the heralds need to amp themselves to increase durability? What does a boxing match have that is similar, boxers are relatively close in strength in their weightclass. Spiderman and Firelord are not.
If we going off of what was shown and said SS couldn't break free, and since we are just going off that without thinking about SS other appearances, then SS could not free himself.
Did Namor even fight the entire MA, I don't remember him fighting Ares, Simon, or Ms Marvel.
That's nice, except the first post you quoted I said younger Namor couldn't beat the current one, that is just a typo that I corrected a minute after posting...
How am I ignoring context? I'm not going off 2 panels of one punch being thrown, which you are to prove Sentry can't beat Namor. Younger Namor was throwing punches that were not capable of beating the current one.
Originally posted by Mindset
Since when did the heralds need to amp themselves to increase durability? What does a boxing match have that is similar, boxers are relatively close in strength in their weightclass. Spiderman and Firelord are not.If we going off of what was shown and said SS couldn't break free, and since we are just going off that without thinking about SS other appearances, then SS could not free himself.
Did Namor even fight the entire MA, I don't remember him fighting Ares, Simon, or Ms Marvel.
That's nice, except the first post you quoted I said younger Namor couldn't beat the current one, that is just a typo that I corrected a minute after posting...
How am I ignoring context? I'm not going off 2 panels of one punch being thrown, which you are to prove Sentry can't beat Namor. Younger Namor was throwing punches that were not capable of beating the current one.
Apparently Firelord does, as he has been hurt by attacks where he shouldn't be in the past. It even makes complete sense that's how his abilities work. Yeah and Firelord and Spider-Man are similar in physical abilities that's the point. We know for a fact Firelord has to amp his strength to reach class 50, so taking away most of his cosmic abilities greatly reduces him. Even to be on Spider-Man's level which was shown.
Still not the same thing, as we did see Sentry and Namor fight...twice and both times he didn't put him away. BP held SS literally for a few seconds so it's not the same at all. One thing we clearly see the other is speculation
Did I say he fought them all? and I'm pretty sure he did fight WM and Ares actually (and from memory at the same time or close to it). He definetly didn't fight Ms.Marvel though
Except when I made my reply the error was still there, and why doesn't your post say you edited it?
Ummm...that's not ignoring context. Ignoring context is blantly ignoring an instance in a comic that was stated in the comic and not based on speculation. We know the namor fight was thrown on purpose, but your ignoring that...that's ignoring context. We see Sentry go toe to toe with Namor twice and he didn't capture or put him down both times. We see that, that's not speculation or ignoring context. Once again your using speculation, do you know how much old namor felt young namor punches? do you know he couldn't beat him for sure? No to all, your using speculation as an example to contradict from two seperate events that happened in the comics and we clearly see. Not the same thing at all. Also not once did I say Sentry CAN'T beat Namor. Nor have I even claimed that or implied. All I said Namor has given Sentry a hard time and he has...twice, and we have seen that as both times in their breif fight Namor has looked pretty good. Did Sentry capture or put Namor away in their fights? No. but can he? it's possible, but we didn't see the full outcome.
Originally posted by -K-M-
He;s been in Avengers/Invaders and in the recent issue that just came out he seemed to be having quite a deal of trouble against Namor (second time they breifly fought) and Wolverine.
I havent picked up the recent Avengers/Invaders book so I cant vouch for it, but if they have him being portrayed as struggling against Namor, that writer missed the boat. Wolverine? Been done before and Sentry destroyed with him in a matter of seconds. What was that fight, all of 5 or 6 panels. Wolverine couldnt even hit him.
I'm also talking about his other low showings he has been having as of late in Mighty Avengers, Fantastic Four, Damage Control, etc.
What low showings in Mighty Avengers and Fantastic Four? I'm seriously curious because I might have missed something. Damage Control? I guess i'll conceed that he got knocked out by a living skyscraper, but you should still feel ashamed of yourself for reaching that low.
Originally posted by tkitna
What low showings in Mighty Avengers and Fantastic Four? I'm seriously curious because I might have missed something. Damage Control? I guess i'll conceed that he got knocked out by a living skyscraper, but you should still feel ashamed of yourself for reaching that low.
Getting one shotted from the sneak attack by Ms.Marvel-helicarrier, and losing to the Cap Robot twice in FF. Also no I really don't feel low at all
Originally posted by -K-M-
Getting one shotted from the sneak attack by Ms.Marvel-helicarrier, and losing to the Cap Robot twice in FF. Also no I really don't feel low at all
Was the Sentry KO'd after the cheap shot? Do you feel that Carol could beat Bob? Hell, she's scared to death of him. The Cap Robot was a potential threat to the entire Earth and its population. No hero could beat it. Reed had to use a bigger plot device to beat the already huge plot device that was the Cap Robot (storyline so bad, I dropped the book afterwards). As for Damage Control, I've seen more realistic stories in Gold Key comics, but if your proud of a story with a talking skyscraper, so be it.
Originally posted by tkitna
Was the Sentry KO'd after the cheap shot? Do you feel that Carol could beat Bob? Hell, she's scared to death of him. The Cap Robot was a potential threat to the entire Earth and its population. No hero could beat it. Reed had to use a bigger plot device to beat the already huge plot device that was the Cap Robot (storyline so bad, I dropped the book afterwards). As for Damage Control, I've seen more realistic stories in Gold Key comics, but if your proud of a story with a talking skyscraper, so be it.
She amped herself up, without amping of course she would stand no chance. Except people on this board keep stating Sentry is on Galactus level (not you, but there have been several)
Originally posted by tkitnaI do agree that he gets the raw deal on kmc.
No, I dont pretend that he's anywhere near Galactus, but he does get a raw deal around here. I know Marvel kind of pushed him onto everybody and hyped him up, but he is a beast. I cant wait to see what he does now that he's merged with Void.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I do agree that he gets the raw deal on kmc.
I think it is because he doesn't have a large base of feats to draw a consistent average from. He goes from catching Terrax's axe to getting juggled by Namor (Despite how this can be interpreted, it does LOOK like Sentry is having trouble with Namor).
Originally posted by RedlineshifterHe prolly was using less power against Namor.
I think it is because he doesn't have a large base of feats to draw a consistent average from. He goes from catching Terrax's axe to getting juggled by Namor (Despite how this can be interpreted, it does LOOK like Sentry is having trouble with Namor).
I really hate Sentry. And I really like Kara. But, Sentry wins. At least 8/10 times, if Kara is lucky.
As for him maybe powering her up - his power clearly isn't yellow sun radiation. Female Ultron was attempting to figure it out and couldn't even.
And while we're on the topic of Ultron...Sentry was deforming her face with his punches and ends up tearing her head off. This is also the guy who tanked Blackbolt's voice, overloaded Absorbing Man, stalemated WWH - who is called by Dr. Strange and the writers of World War Hulk the most powerful incarnation of the Hulk, and stalemated Genis-Vell - who has traded punches with Maestro and was showing up King Thor in Asgard.
Avlon brought up Kara destroying a moon by accident. That's impressive, true. But Sentry's battle with Photon (Genis) was destroying entire planets simply from the output of power - and they both were holding back.
The Void, who has the same power as Sentry, effortlessly broke every bone in Hulk's body simply to prove a point.
Kara might get two wins, but it'd be via a fluke. Otherwise Bob pulls a Prime or WWIII BA and punches a hole through her....he'll stand over her body crying afterward.