ROTJ Luke vs Maul

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Location: Death Star where Luke fought Vader.

Sidious is the audience.

I don't think Luke had enough actual saber fighting experience to take on Maul. I say he goes down. Vader was much slower and not at his peak and it took Luke awhile to get the best of him.

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Originally posted by Elite Hunter
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You are right my friend there many good points even though they only amount to opinions.

1. This thread has been done before.
2. Darth Maul wins everytime.
3. ROTJ Vader was at his peak and could've killed Luke if he wanted.

actually, ROTJ Vader was not at his peak... if he ever had a peak after getting put in the suit, it probably would have been around TFU, or possible closer to RODV (any suited vader material in-between i'm missing?)

Anything post-ANH is not peak Vader, as he gets his hand cut off (again) by the Emperor for failing to stop the first Death Star from being destroyed.

Yeah, that's right. That's my logic for saying he's not at his peak. 😛

Originally posted by truejedi
actually, ROTJ Vader was not at his peak... if he ever had a peak after getting put in the suit, it probably would have been around TFU, or possible closer to RODV (any suited vader material in-between i'm missing?)

Originally posted by Enyalus
Anything post-ANH is not peak Vader, as he gets his hand cut off (again) by the Emperor for failing to stop the first Death Star from being destroyed.

No, I was serious. It actually happens.

Proof? Source?

Never heard that before.

Vader vs. Luke was like Dooku vs. Anakin. They were playing for keeps and each Sith gave it there all and lost. Luke beat him legitimately. But Luke still would not defeat Maul.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Vader vs. Luke was like Dooku vs. Anakin. They were playing for keeps and each Sith gave it there all and lost. Luke beat him legitimately. But Luke still would not defeat Maul.

I can't say I agree with this at all. Especially the implication that Vader in his later age was inferior to Maul somehow, or that Maul is so radically different from Vader that he would own Luke, but Vader would not have such a chance.

Speaking from a movie viewer's perspective, the fights were mirrors of each other for a good reason, and in both cases the older, superior fights mocked and gave ground before the younger fights solely for the purpose of converting them to the Dark Side, not "giving it their all". Vader sure as hell didn't have any problems getting up after Luke was done mashing on him like a demented Hammer Bros. goon. Giving it their all would have been Vader force choking Luke like the ***** he was and then throwing him into the reactor shaft.

Darth Maul's saber skills and speed are superior to OT Darth Vader's.

I'm just curious if there's a decent argument to back that up, or did I simply not get the memo?

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I'm just curious if there's a decent argument to back that up, or did I simply not get the memo?

Sure. 🙂

In Resurrection (set in the same year or just after A New Hope) Darth Maul is resurrected by the Prophets of the Dark Side and battles Darth Vader. They're on even footing duel-wise for a while, going back and forth. Vader manages to cut his saberstaff in two - but instead of one side going out like in The Phantom Menace, both ends stay active and Maul switches to Jar'Kai, and absolutely dominates Vader.

Vader has to resort to stabbing himself through the chest, damaging his own life support system and almost killing himself, in order to hit and kill Maul.

Vader didn't use the Force in that duel.

By the way, Dooku went all out against Skywalker. He decides that Sidious could "more easily come up with a new plan than a new apprentice."

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
By the way, Dooku went all out against Skywalker. He decides that Sidious could "more easily come up with a new plan than a new apprentice."

Is this more BS from the novelization?

I wouldn't put it that way, but it is a fact from the novelization, yes.

Hard to say. From what I've seen in TPM, Maul had more skill than Luke. Luke may be able to win the fight but it would be close.