Catholic Priest and young boys

Originally posted by Devil King
If you won't then I will. It's a policy that I absolutely think should be abandoned for the archaic, simple-minded practice it is. For a priest to conscienciously abandon the supposed "gift" god gave to every human being is atrocious. I'm cool with the catholic church existing, but I'm more cool with the idea that a priest can be married, gay or lesbian, pro-abortion, an Obama supporter, etc. I grew up in the catholic church and I honestly have never met a more affable group of people in any other field than those who decided to become priests and nuns. These were not qualities I encountered in the protestant, reformist, "higher-thinking" members of the splinter sects. (I say sects because they all are, realistically) Some of the most level-headed, realistic and accepting human beings I've ever encountered were catholic nuns. But they're countermanded and over-shadowed by the reality that some of the followers of the exact same religion are the most absurd, unrealistic, factional, troglodytes I've even met. If the catholic church would make the great leap out of the 1st century then their religion would be much more palatable for the masses they seek so hard to influence. There's no doubt that I consider Christianity to be an absurd perspective. But, if they want to exist then they need to change with the times, even when it shows them to be the hypocrits their own biblical subscription makes them out to be. After all, the word of Christ is open to interpretation.

The Church didn't practice Celibacy in the First Century...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
The Church didn't practice Celibacy in the First Century...

Yes and the only reason it was made a rule was because priests were accumulating wealth and then their sons inherited that money. The church ordered priests to be celibate so their money would be inherited by the church.

And I'm not into any conspiracy theories. I've actually never seen the Da Vinci Code.

But there are some very strange things that went on in the Catholic Church. It is well known that in the middle ages accused witches and and other so called sinners were tortured and executed. In 18th century French clergy members were known to partake in orgies. I don't know anything about a Secret Intelligence Service but for centuries the Catholic Church was the most powerful force in Europe.

I really do recommend the documentary, Women In Black, its runs every now and then on the Documentary Channel. In it former nuns talk about many strange things that went on in convents and schools.

I don't mean to single the Catholic Church out, like any large bureaucracy its bound to have corruption.

Yes, noone denied that...however, because there is a mystery around the RCC people like to assume things and invent things etc.

Everyone knows about the Inquisition, everyone also knows its blown out of proportion.

So a few priests had orgies- wow. Doesn't prove much.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
The Church didn't practice Celibacy in the First Century...

I got news for you my friend, they aren't practicing it now.

Originally posted by Devil King
I got news for you my friend, they aren't practicing it now.

Indeed, some are not.

I don't think Celibacy will outlast the next Pope...

Then again, who knows.

Thousands of innocent people tortured or dead is blown out of proportion?

I'm not sure I understand you, you acknowledge all the crap that went on in the church, but say its not a big deal?

And its safe to assume that for every thing that does come to light, many more things are swept under the rug.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Indeed, some are not.

I don't think Celibacy will outlast the next Pope...

Then again, who knows.

What makes you think that?

Originally posted by cococryspies
Thousands of innocent people tortured or dead is blown out of proportion?

I'm not sure I understand you, you acknowledge all the crap that went on in the church, but say its not a big deal?

And its safe to assume that for every thing that does come to light, many more things are swept under the rug.

Many people will claim the Inquisition led to the deaths of up to 10 million people in the space of a decade. (That amount of people didn't even exist.)

Also, the Inquisitions were usually set up by the secular rulers- indeed, people would often speak heresies so they could be transferred to the Ecclesiastical Courts which were far less harsh on people.

What a few priests did in France doesn't concern me hugely no...

Originally posted by Devil King
What makes you think that?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
What a few priests did in France doesn't concern me hugely no...

I think it was a bigger deal than perhaps you've decided to ascribe it. However, it doesn't really concern me all that much either. Especially since neither of us are being held down and having our nuts twisted off.

My point is that even if you aren't concerned with what has happened in the past, the fact that it has continued to happen should.

Obviously there is something wrong with the system if it continues to shelter awful behavior.

Originally posted by cococryspies
My point is that even if you aren't concerned with what has happened in the past, the fact that it has continued to happen should.

Obviously there is something wrong with the system if it continues to shelter awful behavior.

Its a very very large organisation (largest in the world probably) and what you describe is in a tiny minuscule minority. However, these things do concern me.

What doesn't concern me is the fact that one or two french priests in the middle ages took part in an orgy.

I think what this question really comes down to is: would anyone here not fondle a young catholic child given the chance?

We all know the answer to that.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Its a very very large organisation (largest in the world probably) and what you describe is in a tiny minuscule minority. However, these things do concern me.

What doesn't concern me is the fact that one or two french priests in the middle ages took part in an orgy.

B-but they were French, FRENCH!

Originally posted by Robtard
B-but they were French, FRENCH!

Exactly...it would be worse if they didnt!

First of all, it was just an example. Second of all, it wasn't one or two priests, and third, while I don't have a problem with orgies myself, it is obviously an example of hypocrisy, and there were accounts of rape by clergy members.

But again, you can think whatever you want about that, you however can't ignore crimes committed by those in a church. They're supposed to be the moral authority.

Originally posted by cococryspies
First of all, it was just an example. Second of all, it wasn't one or two priests, and third, while I don't have a problem with orgies myself, it is obviously an example of hypocrisy, and there were accounts of rape by clergy members.

But again, you can think whatever you want about that, you however can't ignore crimes committed by those in a church. They're supposed to be the moral authority.

I'd like your evidence for this Orgie thing please.

The History Channel's special The History of Sex discusses many strange things done by the French Clergy.

Here's a website I found with a bunch of Paris Police reports from 1750 to 1773:

http://justinedesade.com/policereports.htm

here are a couple of the reports:

October 26, 1765:"I, the undersigned, Honoré Regnard, 53 years old, canon of the holy Augustine order, procurator, House of St. Catherine, confirm that Inspector Marais found me at the St. Louis, rue do Figuier, to which I went yesterday of my own desire, in order to satisfy myself with Félix. I had her undress and caressed her with my hand concealed under the cloak. And today I played with Félix and her friend Julie, who took off my vestment and dressed and painted me as a woman."

August 2, 1752. Father Bernard, famous preacher. He chose two or three prostitutes at Lasolle.

January 17, 1760. André Carron, while writing on the wall of the room of Zaire: "I am always ready for whipping."

Originally posted by Devil King
If you won't then I will. It's a policy that I absolutely think should be abandoned for the archaic, simple-minded practice it is. For a priest to conscienciously abandon the supposed "gift" god gave to every human being is atrocious. I'm cool with the catholic church existing, but I'm more cool with the idea that a priest can be married, gay or lesbian, pro-abortion, an Obama supporter, etc. I grew up in the catholic church and I honestly have never met a more affable group of people in any other field than those who decided to become priests and nuns. These were not qualities I encountered in the protestant, reformist, "higher-thinking" members of the splinter sects.

Not to wildly generalise, or anything...

Why would someone hold the modern Church accountable for the actions of individuals from 250 years ago?

Originally posted by cococryspies
The History Channel's special The History of Sex discusses many strange things done by the French Clergy.

Here's a website I found with a bunch of Paris Police reports from 1750 to 1773:

http://justinedesade.com/policereports.htm

here are a couple of the reports:

October 26, 1765:"I, the undersigned, Honoré Regnard, 53 years old, canon of the holy Augustine order, procurator, House of St. Catherine, confirm that Inspector Marais found me at the St. Louis, rue do Figuier, to which I went yesterday of my own desire, in order to satisfy myself with Félix. I had her undress and caressed her with my hand concealed under the cloak. And today I played with Félix and her friend Julie, who took off my vestment and dressed and painted me as a woman."

August 2, 1752. Father Bernard, famous preacher. He chose two or three prostitutes at Lasolle.

January 17, 1760. André Carron, while writing on the wall of the room of Zaire: "I am always ready for whipping."

Your source seems to be someone with an agenda........