Thor vs. Darkseid

Originally posted by Allankles
Those were merely energy beams, powerful energy beams designed to disintergrate Supes (he once even altered them to Supes molecular structure) and concussive energy output.

He can do more than that with the OE either through the Omega Beams or just his hands or whatever. The Omega Beams are just his energy outlet.

When he uses the OE to erase beings from existence he isn't disintergrating them he is warping reality it has nothing to do with direct physical energetic assaults like what he's done with Supes and WW.

You can't absorb reality manipulation, you can only resists it and you have to be some kind of abstract to resist such an assualt no amount of energy is going to help you there if you don't have defenses for reality waping.

I have seen Supes deflect the omega effect with his heat vision. I have seen raker block off the option wit his energy ring. You seem to be reaching here. Again.

Originally posted by Allankles
Even without the ALE how is Thor stopping the Omega Effect? It's not just some energy beam. He could alter reality and erase Thor from one existence or transport him to oblivion where he won't even remember his name let alone have any powers.

No, he couldn't. Mjolnir absorbs energy. A lot of it. And Thor is a powerful skyfather. He also manipulates energy. The OE has been redirected by Firestorm before. Mjolnir can at least absorb it. And when wielding the Odinforce, Thor has proved powerful enough to punch a whole through a Desak-powered Destroyer's head, and prior to that put a hole in a Celestial's armor. A Darkseid without the ALE would get wrecked. Hard.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Can you prove these claims? Omega beams are the same as the omega effect......unless you can prove otherwise.

I have seen Supes deflect the omega effect with his heat vision. I have seen raker block off the option wit his energy ring. You seem to be reaching here. Again.

The Omega Beams are an outlet for the Omega Force/Omega Effect. The Omega Force (is like the power cosmic, Oan energy whatever) it does more than one thing.

Darkseid can warp reality with the Omega Force (which to be precise is the power over oblivion itself).

He can use the Omega Effect/Force through the Omega Beams or his hands (he's shot energy through his hands and projected energy directly from his mind without both the beams and hands before also) to shoot direct energetic assualts to disintergrate/kill, hurt/incapacitate his target.

Or he can transport people in any dimension, time or place or he can literally rewrite reality to make it so that said target never even existed, this reality warping is so complete that even those closest to the victim won't remember that they ever existed.

This is what he was doing to Galactus via the Omega Beams in the crossover, but Gal can resist his reality warping apparently.

And you claim to know Darkseid? I shouldn't be explaining these basics to you.

By the way, Morrison talking about Galactus level beings is worth shit as here we go by feats.

Just saying.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No, he couldn't. Mjolnir absorbs energy. A lot of it. And Thor is a powerful skyfather. He also manipulates energy. The OE has been redirected by Firestorm before. Mjolnir can at least absorb it. And when wielding the Odinforce, Thor has proved powerful enough to punch a whole through a Desak-powered Destroyer's head, and prior to that put a hole in a Celestial's armor. A Darkseid without the ALE would get wrecked. Hard.

Darkseid is more powerful than Thor and the OE can do more than just direct physical assults, as I've explained in the post above he can warp reality and erase beings from existence with the OE. Unless Mjlonir can absorp reality manipualtion, Thor isn't standing up to the full arsenal of the OE.

And using PIS where Darkseid wasn't applying the OE to full effect doesn't help debates. Not to mention that the Omega Beams can pass through dimensions or any physical object in their way in order to hit a target so writers shooting or not using the fictional concepts of the character is PIS.

Originally posted by Bentley
By the way, Morrison talking about Galactus level beings is worth shit as here we go by feats.

Just saying.

I didn't mention Morrison in this thread.

Originally posted by Allankles
Darkseid is more powerful than Thor

Darkseid without the ALE is not more powerful than Current Thor, who wields the full power of the Odinforce along with Mjolnir. Mjolnir absorbs energy - that's what it does. And it's magical in nature, not just some base metal which Darkseid can pass through with his OE. Has he ever bypassed Wonder Woman's gauntlet's, for instance? Or any magical item?

And if you want to say Darkseid wins by using his OE, I can simply bring up Thor's Godblast, which was capable of blasting a trail from Asgard to Valhalla. And like I already mentioned, Mjolnir is capable of punching through a Desak-powered Destroyer. Darkseid doesn't have that kind of durability.

If DS has his ALE, then I agree he wins. If not, Thor wrecks him.

Originally posted by Allankles
I didn't mention Morrison in this thread.

I was commenting on fangirl earlier in the thread.

the only people who should be arguing against darkseid are people who have not yet acknowledge(or don't know about) DS being rectonned back to his classic self........the way kirby meant for him to be. he wins every time.

if you know and acknowledge that.......i just don't know what to say to you.

Originally posted by namorsubby
the only people who should be arguing against darkseid are people who have not yet acknowledge(or don't know about) DS being rectonned back to his classic self........the way kirby meant for him to be. he wins every time.

if you know [b]and acknowledge that.......i just don't know what to say to you. [/B]

When did this happen? During FC? 😐

you haven't heard about the avatar recton yet?

basically all darkseid's jobbing and lossing(which is not nearly as much in quantity as some assume) of the past has been blamed on either desaad impersonating him or that darkseid actually being an avatar made by darkseid. they also established the notion that darkseid is perhaps completely undefeatable on a physical plane. i believe it was stated somewhere in the new god's series.

Originally posted by namorsubby
you haven't heard about the avatar recton yet?

basically all darkseid's jobbing and lossing(which is not [b]nearly as much in quantity as some assume) of the past has been blamed on either desaad impersonating him or that darkseid actually being an avatar made by darkseid. they also established the notion that darkseid is perhaps completely undefeatable on a physical plane. i believe it was stated somewhere in the new god's series. [/B]

Oh, yeah, I had...and then after that, he gets beaten by Superman. 😛

Originally posted by Allankles
The Omega Beams are an outlet for the Omega Force/Omega Effect. The Omega Force (is like the power cosmic, Oan energy whatever) it does more than one thing.

Darkseid can warp reality with the Omega Force (which to be precise is the power over oblivion itself).

He can use the Omega Effect/Force through the Omega Beams or his hands (he's shot energy through his hands and projected energy directly from his mind without both the beams and hands before also) to shoot direct energetic assualts to disintergrate/kill, hurt/incapacitate his target.

Or he can transport people in any dimension, time or place or he can literally rewrite reality to make it so that said target never even existed, this reality warping is so complete that even those closest to the victim won't remember that they ever existed.

This is what he was doing to Galactus via the Omega Beams in the crossover, but Gal can resist his reality warping apparently.

And you claim to know Darkseid? I shouldn't be explaining these basics to you.

Originally posted by namorsubby
they also established the notion that darkseid is perhaps completely undefeatable on a physical plane. i believe it was stated somewhere in the new god's series.

Bank on Superman breaking that notion along with Darkseid's jaw sometime in 2009. if not sooner

sure whatever. everyone knows superman beats whoever he wants to when he "goes all out" and "reaches deep down"

but yeah even before the recton darkseid never made a habit of being defeated. besides a few loses to superman(along with owning him) he's pretty much always been classic darkseid. i hear most superman/darkseid fights were out of continuity anyway.

That's cool and all...but Current Thor >> Current Supes.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Oh, yeah, I had...and then after that, he gets beaten by Superman. 😛

it reminds of how kingpin(basically some fat guy) can always beat spidey more often than not. spidey, who is far stronger faster tougher etc. it's a shame

Originally posted by namorsubby
it hasn't happened after the recton.........hopefully never again.

it reminds of how kingpin(basically some fat guy) can always beat spidey more often than not. spidey, who is far stronger faster tougher etc. it's a shame

Well, I'm with you on that. Darkseid is my favorite DC villian, without a doubt.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Thor with the Odin Power got his hammer taken away by Rulk.

If We go by the Last current version of DS that would be Death of the New Gods Soul fire DS or Count Down DS who grew to hundreds of feat tall and was able to fight Jimmy with all the combined powers of the New Gods.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Well, I'm with you on that. Darkseid is my favorite DC villian, without a doubt.

edit:

oh yeah, and deadshot.