A SWVF suggestion.

Originally posted by Gideon
I mean, I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but come on. You're essentially saying "Well, Anakin and Obi-Wan are positioned at the very back so as to avoid death!!1!" and "Yoda and Mace bumrush Palpatine in .4 seconds and he dies before his nerves allow him to register a thought (never mind that he's faster than both of them)!!1!" and "Obi-Wan's ability to deflect Force lightning from Dooku means he'll be able to deflect Force lightning and telekinesis from Dooku's much more powerful Master!!1!"

It's completely ridiculous.

i didn't say that at all... but oh well. i really don't want to get into this again.

Wow, this has turned in to a re-match of the Sidious vs. Yoda, Kenobi, Mace and Anakin thread.

nope, seriously, i'm not going there again. i'm done posting on the subject. Whatever i post just gets misrepresented anyway.

Originally posted by truejedi
i didn't say that at all... but oh well. i really don't want to get into this again.

I was referring strictly to Red Nemesis, not you. Don't worry about it. You and I have an understanding: we just disagree.

He'll agree with that. Paradoxes for everyone!

well, i think the last few pages makes my point for me. we couldn't come to any better conclusion if we were writing out the scenarios than we currently do, because disagreements, based on opinion, and different interpretations of events still happen.

You and I have a disagreement purely on time. But Sidious is faster than all of his enemies. It is your contention that he can't defeat the lesser Jedi in the time that it would take the greater Jedi to engage him, but he is faster than even Yoda. Mace isn't a threat with the Force nor is he able to match the Emperor's greater physical attributes until he immerses himself in Vaapad. In terms of quick and instant attacks, the Emperor possesses a clear advantage over Kenobi, Skywalker, and Windu. Only Yoda compares.

What Red Nemesis is doing is completely fabricating random circumstances and passing them off as fact. That Sidious is capable of utterly annihilating Kenobi and Skywalker has logical basis. What Red is saying does not, hence my issue with him. And he's not going to get a response until he drops such pretense. He's not in a position to dictate the circumstances of the duel to anyone.

Originally posted by Gideon

What Red Nemesis is doing is completely fabricating random circumstances and passing them off as fact. That Sidious is capable of utterly annihilating Kenobi and Skywalker has logical basis. What Red is saying does not, hence my issue with him. And he's not going to get a response until he drops such pretense. He's not in a position to dictate the circumstances of the duel to anyone.

To my knowledge, I have not yet fabricated an event, or added extraneous factors through my interpretation. That said, I was trying to twist established cannon to suit my purposes. I simply don't like the idea that one force user can tool the best the Order can throw at it. I suppose that this was the reason the other thread lasted so long. (25 pages!)

I'll back off, but I still don't like the idea. Sidious's win is counter intuitive. I just don't like it at all.

Me < Cannon facts.
Cannon facts =/= my argument.
my argument =/= valid.

It would be nice if there was a 'sweet spot' though. An ideal place or set of mitigating circumstances that would let the Jedi win...

There is. Once Windu gets all Vaapad-ed, the fight is over for Sidious.