To all religious people....

Please visit these websites. Not only are they mildly humerous, but they may help you. Then, discuss! http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ http://www.godisimaginary.com/ Although this may sound like trolling, these are GREAT sites! I was laughing out loud and being schocked by the inginuity of the author at the same time. I REALLY recommend these sites.

How droll, videos from these sites (one in the same i believe) have been posted here often, however they do not radically change/add anything...

They're pretty lite really.

i like them. If i were religious, they would make me think, which is the first step to finding truth. So i would say that they do work, although they are droll, but people, on the subject of religion, i find, respond better to droll and logical, than passionate and logical, becasue they feel that they have to answer your passion with their own passion, and therefore lose all reason whatsoever. So yeah, i find them effective.

Hmmm,

you will find they don't really say much as you think they do.

How about you quote a particular argument you find interesting?

It's better to work these into your own discussions points, and post individual arguments and videos instead of entire sites. Creating threads for such purposes come across as heavy-handed, and just trying to get others to view things that you find important.

According to the Bible Jesus did heal that guy who had his ear cut off by St. Peter... therefore there is a precedent for the healing of amputees.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ : he hates them

http://www.godisimaginary.com/ : the title of this site requires a logical fallacy so I don't think I'll listen to them

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
i like them. If i were religious, they would make me think, which is the first step to finding truth. So i would say that they do work, although they are droll, but people, on the subject of religion, i find, respond better to droll and logical, than passionate and logical, becasue they feel that they have to answer your passion with their own passion, and therefore lose all reason whatsoever. So yeah, i find them effective.

But you're not religious so you really don't know how you'd react to them. Personally I've never understood the idea of appealing to faith via logic. The two have nothing to do with one another.

lol, therein lies the problem. Logic is the only thing that can defeat blind, stupid faith, but people have to be open to logic. And for the bible thing, the bible is highly inaccurate and there is no reason to believe Jesus healed anyone. in fact, it is possible to make a decent, logical argument that Jesus never existed in the first place, like some books do (damn, i forgot the name, but you get the point). Watch some of the videos, like why religion is repulsive. they are pretty interesting.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
lol, therein lies the problem. Logic is the only thing that can defeat blind, stupid faith, but people have to be open to logic. And for the bible thing, the bible is highly inaccurate and there is no reason to believe Jesus healed anyone. in fact, it is possible to make a decent, logical argument that Jesus never existed in the first place, like some books do (damn, i forgot the name, but you get the point). Watch some of the videos, like why religion is repulsive. they are pretty interesting.

You place a lot of faith in the belief that Human Logic can reckon with an Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient being...

Think about omnipotent and omniscient for a second. The ability to effect everything, and to see the future perfectly. Well, if you can see the future, if it is set in stone, then you CANT EFFECT IT!!!! it is a complete logical paradox! So no, you cant be omnipotent and omnisient at the same time. pick one and STICK WITH IT! lol

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
Think about omnipotent and omniscient for a second. The ability to effect everything, and to see the future perfectly. Well, if you can see the future, if it is set in stone, then you CANT EFFECT IT!!!! it is a complete logical paradox! So no, you cant be omnipotent and omnisient at the same time. pick one and STICK WITH IT! lol

Actually you can be. After all, who says the future is set in stone? Also, God is outwith time.

Omnipotent: having very great or unlimited authority or power.
Omniscient:having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.
Now, if you have UNLIMITED knowledge, you know the future, as God does. How can you change the future if you know it? Think about that for a moment. to know the future, it has to be written out like a story with one path. but the only way to be omnipotent is to break that future, or change it. But then you aren't omniscient because you change the future that you know! What i am say is GOD CANT CHANGE HIS MIND! That means he ISN'T omnipotent!

Well, I don't think what your saying is very logically coherent.

Who says the future is set in stone?

It is far more likely that he knows every possibility of every action and every eventuality...he can then change them about as he pleases which in turn gives up more possible eventualities...and he knows all of them. 🙂

Also, your entire argument hinges on your own perception of time...

I think God will outlast you and your warped logical though...

(As an imperfect non-omnipotent, non-omniscient being how can you possibly comprehend an omnipotent omniscient being who creates binds and controls everything?)

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
lol, therein lies the problem. Logic is the only thing that can defeat blind, stupid faith, but people have to be open to logic. And for the bible thing, the bible is highly inaccurate and there is no reason to believe Jesus healed anyone. in fact, it is possible to make a decent, logical argument that Jesus never existed in the first place, like some books do (damn, i forgot the name, but you get the point). Watch some of the videos, like why religion is repulsive. they are pretty interesting.

Actually I've seen several of them. They're revolting insults to the viewers intelligence and the strides humanity has made towards being accepting of differences. Ever heard of the Pendulum Effect?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Actually I've seen several of them. They're revolting insults to the viewers intelligence and the strides humanity has made towards being accepting of differences. Ever heard of the Pendulum Effect?

I'm so glad that we're at a point on this board where we can share our views without calling other users stupid and arrogantly assume the unassailable strength of our positions while admonishing others for having such faith...aren't you?

lol you are kidding, right? i have a hard time with Internet satire, sorry!
about the onmipotence thing, i mean.
And for the other thing, religion is a joke. If i believed in the literal truth of Star Wars, you would call me an idiot. but i'm not WRONG, am i? you cant PROVE that i'm wrong! sometimes with religion, you just gotta play a little harder, pull a few less punches, to make people open their eyes. you dont have to be a dick, just be honest.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
lol you are kidding, right? i have a hard time with Internet satire, sorry!

I am sarcastically taking the piss out of how arrogant you are in the belief that you are irrefutably correct.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
lol you are kidding, right? i have a hard time with Internet satire, sorry!

Not really. Have you seen the one on Jesus? It's idiotic, doesn't possess a shred a rational logic and is terribly condescending in spite of all it's massive failings. Those people are dogmatic and easily as dangerous as any Bible thumping nutcase out there.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
lol you are kidding, right? i have a hard time with Internet satire, sorry!
about the onmipotence thing, i mean.
And for the other thing, religion is a joke. If i believed in the literal truth of Star Wars, you would call me an idiot. but i'm not WRONG, am i? you cant PROVE that i'm wrong! sometimes with religion, you just gotta play a little harder, pull a few less punches, to make people open their eyes. you dont have to be a dick, just be honest.

lol

No I wasn't kidding, thats the response you have given because you don't know what to say...