The Bush Legacy

Originally posted by inimalist
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British commanders are now coming out and saying that the Taliban are unbeatable, and that military force is not a valid option in Afghanistan, ie: NATO has to start diplomatic talks with the Taliban or face defeat, or at the very least, a bloody stalemate. There have also been analysis from day one that have concluded that NATO will not be able to kill its way to victory in Afghanistan

unless you are in favor of a full out invasion of NW Pakistan, which would have its own huge problems, winning in Afghanistan will be an intensely difficult task.

Not that I agree with NATO strategy there, its just that EXACT mindset that made America vulnerable to Jihadi terror in the first place.

"bunch of towel heads in caves, what can they do?"

Well clearly you're a girly-man terrorist sympathizer.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well clearly you're a girly-man terrorist sympathizer.

or I'd be happy if my soldiers stopped dying because we think it is more important to educate poor afghan children than it is to educate poor Native children in our own country...

girly-man I can't argue

Originally posted by inimalist
or I'd be happy if my soldiers stopped dying because we think it is more important to educate poor afghan children than it is to educate poor Native children in our own country...

girly-man I can't argue

Then don't edukate them. If only abortion weren't a crime against God we could just shoot the Afgan towel-heads in the womb. Well at least we can kill 'em once they're born and not people anymore.

Worst president in the US? Definitely NOT.
Ronald Reagan was worse.

Off-topic:
Good luck to your heart surgery tomorrow or whatever ermmroll

Originally posted by inimalist
or I'd be happy if my soldiers stopped dying because we think it is more important to educate poor afghan children than it is to educate poor Native children in our own country...

girly-man I can't argue

Fascist.

Originally posted by KidRock
Bush did a good job with 9/11 and invading Afghanistan. He put foot to ass after we were attacked and didnt try to "appease" the terrorists or say "well we need to look at what we did wrong to anger these people".

You can't really solve a problem unless you know what caused it.

Originally posted by lord xyz
"I think how I handled the Iraq situation, will be my legacy." -- George W. Bush

If that weren't so tragic it'd be slightly amusing.

Originally posted by KidRock
Bush did a good job with 9/11 and invading Afghanistan. He put foot to ass after we were attacked and didnt try to "appease" the terrorists or say "well we need to look at what we did wrong to anger these people".

To echo Robtard's sentiments, then why is:
A) Osama Bin Laden still on the loose?
B) Al-Qaeda still operating in Afghanistan?

You have not answered the question.

Also, if anyone took the time to figure out what you did to incure the anger of "those people" then you save a score more lives than the current steps that are being taken to "resolve" the situation.

As for Bush doing a good job with 9/11. That is pretty much up for debate, however, he did help sell a tonne of copies of "The Pet Goat".

Originally posted by KharmaDog

To echo Robtard's sentiments, then why is:
A) Osama Bin Laden still on the loose?
B) Al-Qaeda still operating in Afghanistan?

You have not answered the question.

Also, if anyone took the time to figure out what you did to incure the anger of "those people" then you save a score more lives than the current steps that are being taken to "resolve" the situation.

A: because he's not in Afghanistan
B: see A

perhaps it's not a case of him doing a good job but to go after the taliban and al qaeda was the right thing...of that i have no doubt...

perhaps the fact that no army since alexander the great has conquered afghanistan should have been a warning to them...or the fact that the soviet claimed the exact same thing after taking over all the main cities in afghanistan and then got their asses handed to them over the next 10 years with 12,000 troops killed

modern armies like the US simply dont know how to tackle the kind of fight they get from al qaeda and the taliban...it's a cliche but the analogy of trying to kill thousands of flies with a hammer comes to mind

the facts are known as to why al qaeda and the taliban hate the west....they are in Saudi Arabia and they abandoned the mujahadeen once their usefullness was finished after the soviet withdrawl at the end of the cold war

Originally posted by inimalist
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British commanders are now coming out and saying that the Taliban are unbeatable, and that military force is not a valid option in Afghanistan, ie: NATO has to start diplomatic talks with the Taliban or face defeat, or at the very least, a bloody stalemate. There have also been analysis from day one that have concluded that NATO will not be able to kill its way to victory in Afghanistan

unless you are in favor of a full out invasion of NW Pakistan, which would have its own huge problems, winning in Afghanistan will be an intensely difficult task.

Not that I agree with NATO strategy there, its just that EXACT mindset that made America vulnerable to Jihadi terror in the first place.

"bunch of towel heads in caves, what can they do?"

Not that I agree with the war, but I don't believe it should take this long.

Originally posted by jaden101
A: because he's not in Afghanistan
B: see A

It seems Bush's War on terror was abandoned on a false pretext. It seems the original mission in afghanistan has been aboandoned.

Originally posted by jaden101
perhaps it's not a case of him doing a good job but to go after the taliban and al qaeda was the right thing...of that i have no doubt...

I agree, the right thing, gone about the wrong way and left unfinished.

Originally posted by jaden101
perhaps the fact that no army since alexander the great has conquered afghanistan should have been a warning to them...or the fact that the soviet claimed the exact same thing after taking over all the main cities in afghanistan and then got their asses handed to them over the next 10 years with 12,000 troops killed

As a big fan of history, it's hard to argue the result of what has happened in the past, which boggles my mind as Canadian soldiers are being sent home in caskets from afghanistan at an increasingly alarming rate.

Originally posted by jaden101
the facts are known as to why al qaeda and the taliban hate the west....they are in Saudi Arabia and they abandoned the mujahadeen once their usefullness was finished after the soviet withdrawl at the end of the cold war

Those are valid reasons, and there are many others involving U.S. foreign policy that has resulted in the current state of global affairs. Maybe the facts do not need to so much known as addressed, or even recognized by some particular parties. Things aren't going to change any tiime soon, but you'd hope that people could learn from past mistakes.

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i'll miss the guy

He'll be missed dearly. Just ask Leno, Letterman, Conan or Maher.

Bush will be remembered as the president who finished the kleptocratic plans a cabal started with ronald reagan to completely bankrupt the united states, who expanded powers of the executive the supplant the other two branches of government, who authorized the suspension of habeas corpus and cruel and unusual punishment of any and all US residents, who started a war with another nation based on complete lies, who conspired with terrorists to attack US landmarks in order to rally support for himself foster the last stages in a coup that had been forming since the 1970's, who completely destroyed the US military in order to prop up a private army and give more power to a group of arms dealers.
I think he will go down in history as the single worst president the United States has ever seen and do think there is a real possibility that once the full extent of his administration's actions have been revealed, he may be prosecuted for murder and for treachery to the ideals, people, and constitution of the United States.
More reviled and horrible than Richard Nixon, Herbert Hoover, Warren Harding, Ulysses S. Grant, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, George Bush, Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson combined.