How can a non force user duel with a force user?

Started by RocasAtoll6 pages

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Impossible. Snapping someone's neck or FP'ing them against a wall hard enough to shatter bones > any blaster. Faster to, since only a thought is required.

You're making me repeat myself. 😐


Then why isn't Jedi fighting just one person choking the other, going back and forth? It's the same concept. If you really could just choke and throw someone like Dooku did, why the hell would you ever have to use a lightsaber?

Because of PIS.

"Choking people" is something that Jedi can't do. It's a dark side maneuver.

IF you care to notice, though, Vader does it quite frequently.

And force users can use the force to resist force attacks. So using only force attacks doesn't always work.

*shrug*

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Step one: Allow them to get close to you

Step two: Shove granade down Jedi's trousers

Step three: Run away

Step four: Stick finger's in ears and wait

Step five: Point and laugh. This might be a good time to divulge the secrets of you evil plan. Or your grandma's secret recipe.

In the time it would take for you to prime a grenade, stick it in a Jedi's pants, than runaway, the grenade would have exploded already and killed you both.

I know, I kno0w, you were just making a shitty joke. But still.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
"Choking people" is something that Jedi can't do. It's a dark side maneuver.

Pushing, pulling, crushing, etc. Why don't they do it all the time? It's a lot more effective.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
IF you care to notice, though, Vader does it quite frequently.

But decides to just stop when it would be most useful.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
And force users can use the force to resist force attacks. So using only force attacks doesn't always work.

*shrug*


You can resist some, but not all.

A Jedi not using the Dark Side isn't PIS. That's just how they are in general. ermm

It's PIS, or CIS rather.

Any time a character has the power to use an ability but does not due to personality or morals or some other personal influence, it's PIS.

You could argue that Superman not blowing up a planet in order to kill someone is just how how he is in general, but it's still PIS.

Pushing, pulling, crushing, etc. Why don't they do it all the time? It's a lot more effective.

It is more affective. Crushing someone's skull is also not the Jedi way.

But decides to just stop when it would be most useful.

PIS.

You can resist some, but not all. [/B]

And the ones that can't be resisted, like drain, are spammed.

It is more affective.

af⋅fec⋅tive
   /ˈæfɛktɪv/ [af-ek-tiv]
–adjective
1. of, caused by, or expressing emotion or feeling; emotional.
2. causing emotion or feeling.

The word you are looking for is effective. These two are not interchangeable like effect/affect are.

No, it's not the word I was looking for.

Try again.

[quote]Pushing, pulling, crushing, etc. Why don't they do it all the time? It's a lot more effective.

It is more affective. Crushing someone's skull is also not the Jedi way.[/quote]

Let's rewrite that to show affective's meaning:
It is more causing emotion or feeling. Crushing someone's skull is also not the Jedi way.

Do you see how nonsensical that is? The word you meant was effective. That you didn't admit the mistake shows that you either
a) feel like getting into a fight over nothing,
-or-
b) are too retarded to know the meaning of the words you type.

Take your pick. Neither option is good for my opinion of you, but I can respect bravado and frustration a lot more than I can ignorance, willful or otherwise.

PIS/CIS seems like just a way to complain about a character not doing something...

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
It is more affective. Crushing someone's skull is also not the Jedi way.

Let's rewrite that to show [b]affective's meaning:
It is more causing emotion or feeling. Crushing someone's skull is also not the Jedi way.

Do you see how nonsensical that is? The word you meant was effective. That you didn't admit the mistake shows that you either
a) feel like getting into a fight over nothing,
-or-
b) are too retarded to know the meaning of the words you type.

Take your pick. Neither option is good for my opinion of you, but I can respect bravado and frustration a lot more than I can ignorance, willful or otherwise. [/B][/QUOTE]

All of those are wrong. You really didn't get the point, did you?

All of those are wrong. You really didn't get the point, did you?

Why don't you explain it to me. All I'm saying is that you used the wrong word. I assumed it was a typo. Your response makes it seem as though you honestly don't know what the word means. Please prove me wrong. People who use words they don't understand are just a little bit pathetic.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
It is more affective. Crushing someone's skull is also not the Jedi way.

Yet Windu had no qualms crushing Grevious. Hm.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
And the ones that can't be resisted, like drain, are spammed.

And yet the ones that are supposed to blocked are still incredibly effective for plot devices.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Yet Windu had no qualms crushing Grevious. Hm.
Windu is already notoriously close to the Dark Side for a PT Jedi. Ala Vapaad. He also did not kill Grievous with a Crush, just injured him. Using a lightsaber to de-limb someone in order to "incapacitate" is apparently fine, but using the Force to do so is not? That's PIS.

Windu is a Jedi Master who is in fine control of his connection to the Force. Other Jedi may not be able to passively perform such a violent action against a foe and feed their power with emotion.

But fair point on the use of a lightsaber to kill/maim.

Hi guys! First post. If this is a dead thread, at least some other star wars nerd will stumble upon this at some point. 🙂 The first thing that comes to mind is Durge.

Think Deadpool, twice the size, with a jet-pack and a ton of laser guns. He's probably killed more jedi than the Fetts or Grievous. Which is nothing to sneeze at in their case. The Fetts have strong wills, and sharp minds, that are likely difficult to attack with mind tricks, as they only work on the weak willed. Whereas Grievous synthesized their techniques and turned it to 11.

I think the jedi usually beat sith because their peace of mind allows for a stronger connection in the force. Maybe this is a bit out there, but when they duel it's like they wield destiny itself as a weapon. The force is sentient after all, and it tends to side with the ones who aren't about the destruction or domination of all life. IE that which creates the force.

The other side of the coin is that I think sith are much deadlier enemies to non-force users than jedi are, simply because it is their purpose to be deadly. They're not playing tug of war with the force like they are against their light side counter parts. They're using telekinesis to explode their enemies internal organs, frying them to death, or controlling their minds. Things Jedi aren't willing to do, but are prepared to deal with. Consequently, I can't think of a single non-force user who claims to have killed several sith, can you?

As to answering the actual question, while it's within possibility, flames are very difficult to control with TK. Jango used this technique on Mace Windu, and it was at least effective at letting him put some space between them for a minute.

The imperial heavy repeater rifle has three barrels in the shape of a triangle, which can fire all once. The theory being that even lined up properly, a light saber could only block two of them at a time.

Sonic weapons that emit a debilitating frequency, with protective gear for oneself of course, would throw most knights quite off balance, though a master might be able to will through it.

Cortosis armor, which may have been mentioned, causes light sabers to momentarily shut off when struck. There's also voduun-crab armor (sp?) which is a symbiotic organism which gives the wielder a protective light saber resistant shell.

An ysalamiri is a small mud-skipper looking alien that produces a small field around itself wherein the force does not exist. A natural protection from it's predators which sense their prey through the force. Grand Admiral Thrawn carried one for protection.

I also know the yuuzhan vong had a wide variety of organic weaponry custom fit to mess jedi up, and were naturally resistant to the force.

Originally posted by Fire Ant
Hi guys! First post. If this is a dead thread, at least some other star wars nerd will stumble upon this at some point. 🙂 The first thing that comes to mind is Durge.

... I forgot all about him.

Consequently, I can't think of a single non-force user who claims to have killed several sith, can you?

Canonically? No. However, the heroes of TOR could potentially kill many. Unsure how many are story-oriented battles against Sith, but there's at least a few.

They're also explicitly called the best of the best in their fields by the creators, so it seems to be a luxury afforded to the elite.

As to answering the actual question, while it's within possibility, flames are very difficult to control with TK. Jango used this technique on Mace Windu, and it was at least effective at letting him put some space between them for a minute.

The imperial heavy repeater rifle has three barrels in the shape of a triangle, which can fire all once. The theory being that even lined up properly, a light saber could only block two of them at a time.

Sonic weapons that emit a debilitating frequency, with protective gear for oneself of course, would throw most knights quite off balance, though a master might be able to will through it.

Cortosis armor, which may have been mentioned, causes light sabers to momentarily shut off when struck. There's also voduun-crab armor (sp?) which is a symbiotic organism which gives the wielder a protective light saber resistant shell.

An ysalamiri is a small mud-skipper looking alien that produces a small field around itself wherein the force does not exist. A natural protection from it's predators which sense their prey through the force. Grand Admiral Thrawn carried one for protection.

I also know the yuuzhan vong had a wide variety of organic weaponry custom fit to mess jedi up, and were naturally resistant to the force.

Good references here. I had forgotten about some of it.

Yeah, the TOR Smuggler kills 3 or 4 Sith iirc.

Also some Lore in TOR has people who've killed Sith. Guardsman Lassicar has personally killed a dozen Sith.

Sith in TOR have the Conservation of Ninjutsu trope going on.

Jarael from the KotoR comic beat not just a Jedi in sparing, but Alek aka the future Malak.

Because she's just that good, and combat instinct and a sense of what someone's going to do next and then after that can beat some levels of force forsight.