Who is your favorite SW character?

Started by Gideon9 pages

Malcolm X wasn't intended to be a comparison to Palpatine, but an indication that for every right, you have a wrong, and for every hero, you have a villain.

As far as one's belief that one's actions are justified, Lucas's commentary in Revenge of the Sith indicates that Palpatine believed himself to be a savior -- hence his frequent references to peace and justice -- and that his actions may have even been noble but that the price was just too high. It's no secret throughout the EU that Palpatine's oppression effectively eliminated planetary disputes, wars, and other conflicts; territory and colonization were expanded; it was, in fact, Thrawn's personal belief that the Empire was a far greater force for order than the New Republic -- that's why he came back: to repair the Empire in order to stabilize the galaxy against the coming invasion from the Yuuzhan Vong. Had the Empire been functioning during the time of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, it would have been a very short war. The Complete Visual Dictionary confirms Lucas's commentary that Palpatine considered himself a savior.

Personally? I like to discard that idea. Once you've seen Magneto, you've seen all the moral ambiguity in fiction. People can distort facts to facilitate any action. To me, it's far more interesting that someone like Palpatine was raised to abandon notions of right and wrong. He just doesn't care. He's not some cartoonish villain delighting in murder because it's wrong, but because it amuses him. There is a difference. Palpatine is a narcissist, he exists for self-indulgence and self-glorification. He kills, manipulates, and destroys not because he's out to commit every crime there is, but because he's pathologically inclined to do so. This is the depravity of the Sith, and it's entirely possible that even this world could spawn such a personage -- if under the right circumstances.

Which is why I reiterate that Palpatine is such an effective villain.

Originally posted by Autokrat
[B]Malcolm X and Hitler are poor comparisons to Palpatine. Hitler was a deluded despot that believed that what he was doing was right.
I don't believe he was comparing Malcolm to Palpatine.

As for Hitler believing he was doing the right thing, so did Palpatine according to Lucas. Hitler believing what he was doing was right is not a justification at all. It goes to show how f*cked up in the head he really was. What Hitler did was out of pure hate and prejudicy, when actually or supposedly he owed his life to a Jew (not sure how true that was). Killing, torturing, starving innocent children, and then believing what he was doing was right only shows that he enjoyed it. Usually when someone does something they believe is right, they get that feeling of satisfaction in their stomache. If that is the feeling Hitler got for having Jews suffer, then that is just beyond evil. It's not like he just had these people killed, he had his subjects rape, torture, and starve them.

Sorry, nothing Hitler did was justified. Him believing he was right is not a justification.

Malcolm X was a radical rights activist that believed that what he was doing was right. Even a psychopath acts in such a way that what they believe they are doing is “right” (as they have no concept of right and wrong to begin with.)
Though Malcolm's actions were not right, he had a reason to grow up with all that hate. His people were treated very badly for years. To me Malcolm was a villain, but no where near Hitler's level. I would consider Malcolm more of an anti-hero, kinda like Magneto from X-men. While Martin Luther King was more like Charles Xavier.

Very deep all 3 of you. Something philosophical that has grabbed my attention.

As far as one's belief that one's actions are justified, Lucas's commentary in Revenge of the Sith indicates that Palpatine believed himself to be a savior -- hence his frequent references to peace and justice -- and that his actions may have even been noble but that the price was just too high. It's no secret throughout the EU that Palpatine's oppression effectively eliminated planetary disputes, wars, and other conflicts; territory and colonization were expanded; it was, in fact, Thrawn's personal belief that the Empire was a far greater force for order than the New Republic -- that's why he came back: to repair the Empire in order to stabilize the galaxy against the coming invasion from the Yuuzhan Vong. Had the Empire been functioning during the time of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, it would have been a very short war. The Complete Visual Dictionary confirms Lucas's commentary that Palpatine considered himself a savior.

This explanation does not have to be discarded. Palpatine's belief in his role as a savior can be explained by his narcissistic inclinations. Palpatine's writings on the nature of weakness lend credence to the theory that, given that he obviously considers himself a superior entity (if not THE superior entity), his version of "peace" simply refers to his own lordship over all "inferiors". I would even go so far as to say he believes he's doing everyone in the galaxy a favor by becoming a god and removing them as distinct individuals. At the end of the day, it's just a paper thin--and utterly narcissistic--justification for seeking power.