League of Champions Week Five: Charlotte Vs. Scoob/Leo

OK, so there's evidence post (aka scan-only #3). And I have 1 more battle post (used up 9 so far).

Weird minds with Miss Martian (who's not the strongest there is on telepathic food chain)

Offspring (Plastic Man's son with similiar uber-shapeshifting powers)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1232122_offspring/

Starro
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1227673_Teen_Titans_053-23/

Superfast minds- Supergirl (hope that's fast enough for you, and she was IN THE BATTLE)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1023548_Teen_Titans_053-22/

Weird minds with Emma

Kitty Pryde (also Emma is called her equal by Exodus)
http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen2020021tb7.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen2020022yu2.jpg

Phalanx (technoorganic beings)
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen31620ml1.jpg
General points

Mystique case about immunity to mind probing=\=immunity to offensive TP (I've promiced that a bit above)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1227650_mystique_003_p10/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1227662_Mystique_07-13/

Speed of thought=speed of light (and Psylocke<<<Emma in terms of TP)
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/996/speedofthoughtmh6.jpg

Quicksilver stating he can dodge tangible blast of psionic energy, but area-aimed attack would still hit you
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quicksilver012p34xc2.jpg

Quicksilver dodges TANGIBLE bolts of psionic energy (might be TK or blasts of raw psionic energy which is basically=TK)
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quicksilver012p33lv9.jpg

Exodus figthing Thena JUST before fighthing Quicksilver (it distracts him so that he can't react on She-Hulk attack)
http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quicksilver012p14fc6.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quicksilver012p15xm2.jpg

Quicksilver surviving area attack due to getting out of effect area while Exodus was doing dramatic poses
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quicksilver012p35cb2.jpg

Emma's powers radius =global
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen500zonemeganbk2.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen500zonemeganqw6.jpg
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Now to forcefields Emeralda and War Dancer are protected with (and which are totally legal to use unlike War Suit)

Prevent Superman from hitting Lex directly (and Superman SPEEDBLITZES him on full speed to avoid prolonged contact with cryptonite)
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanvskryptonbattleship7.jpg

Lex survives said speedblitz due to forcefield generator
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1232212_02/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1232213_03/

Intangibility

Lobo attack
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221925_RacerX-BB18-p12/

Disruptor's energy blast
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1226538_17/

Superspeed dodging
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221914_Teen_Titans_051_page_15/

Shift's vulnerability to energy blasts
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1181013_Teen_Titans_025_page_06/

Shift copies things by visual contact\tactile contact (not by formulas)
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=outsidersv312hunterrosejq9.jpg

Adamantium has 9 unstable isotopes sharing the same formula
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen191018gg1.jpg

Alchemy=ritualistic "science"
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1222007_AlphaFlight021_08/

Simply copying formulas\chemicals without preparing them in needed for ritual way=fail
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221981_FantasticFour30-06/

Humidity having advert effect on Diablo's potions
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1217461_Alpha_Flight_103_p18/

Diamond shift=1\100th of a second (Emma gets blitzed cause Northstar moves at lightspeed)
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen190004pj8oz7.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen190005qg7vy2.jpg

Psionic powers used in diamond form (also halted metabolism- no poisoning possible)
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx3_L6L0

Diamond form durability
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldwarhulkxmen002015fs6.jpg

Martian physiology=near immunity to poisons
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1225961_13/
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tt060012bi4.jpg

Emma bypassing Maradeurs' psi-shielding while physically paralysed
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen201008ya3.jpg

Magik's armour durability, her combat skills and combat teleportation (not travelling one you were showing)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124922_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-18/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124944_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-19/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124947_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-20/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124938_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-21/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157341_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-05/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157342_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-06/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157345_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-07/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157346_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-08/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157381_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-09/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157382_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-10/

Weather magic (to blow your gases away)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124985_18/

Superbreath (same purpose)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993240_08/

Matter manipulation
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1125005_05/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124970_06/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1130888_soulmagic/

"The magic can be adapted to do almost anything"
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1126137_Nightcrawler_11_15/

Unofficial post

I do realise that the thread is long and confusing, and I'd like to thank judges in advance for reading through all of that.

Oh, and thanks to my opponents (especially Leo- I like your debating style and it's always fun facing you) for good match.

And finallly, my last scans-only post #4

More diamond form durability (Emma's caught in the center of big explosion in the 2nd scan)
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenphoenixwarsong4003rj0.jpg
http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenphoenixwarsong4004pi6.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenphoenixwarsong4006wt4.jpg

More psionic powers in diamond form
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gsastonishingxmen01010eh8.jpg

M'gann's durability (gravity pull equaling the one of actual sun merely knocks her down)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1227684_Trinity14-015/

Dodging speedblitz vs Starro-controlled Firebug (teleporting pyrokinetic)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221914_Teen_Titans_051_page_15/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221915_Teen_Titans_051_page_16/

Round 2- this time invisible and victorious
http://www.picamatic.com/view/882401_04/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/882410_05/

Note: Starro amplifies host's reaction speed (it made Brimstone able to react to speedblitz from Supergirl):
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1232821_Teen_Titans_051_page_11/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1232822_Teen_Titans_051_page_12/

Paralysing\binding spell
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1125047_18/
More of it
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1125602_12/

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Unofficial post

I do realise that the thread is long and confusing, and I'd like to thank judges in advance for reading through all of that.

Oh, and thanks to my opponents (especially Leo- I like your debating style and it's always fun facing you) for good match.

ahhh . . . shucks. 😍

Originally posted by leonidas
ahhh . . . shucks. 😍

Hope we'll face again in the playoffs🙂

OK, time for grand finale- Charlotte's post 10\10

Now, let's do some final analysis of their "unbeatable strategy".

Their 1st claim- they can build the psi-blockers from scratch or obtain actual ones.

The psi-blockers you claim were shown in ONE issue exactly- and they're far from team's standart tech. Thus using actual psi-armour violates that amendment to the prep rule:

Originally posted by illadelph12
Sure.

If every member of a team has access to something it's fair game.

If it's deemed off limits (in canon materials) but just so happens to reside at the base you would be using, it's illegal.

For a layman's example, if I drafted a soldier and used a military base as my prep area, and the base just so happened to have nukes but they were in a restricted area that none of the characters under normal circumstances would have access to or their use was generally prohibited, I couldn't just use the nukes in battle.

The whereabouts of actual psi-blockers are normally unknown to your characters, you have no experts on said stuff in your team (chemistry genius and math savant does not specialise in psi-shielding tech) and you have no proof (Leo tried to present the bio of the guy who designed psi-blockers as the proof they can build them from scratch). One flaw in your psi-blockers and they might as well not be there- against the telepath of Emma's level of skill.

In the scans I presneted above I have stated why the absence of psi-blockers=bad news for you. Emma and Miss Martain have both affected some pretty wierd minds before, including cybernethical beings (Phalanx). Also those scans contain some mythbusting stuff about Quicksilver TP immunity (he was able to survive area effect blast ONLY because he run out of its area while Exodus was posing before attack- this time you won't have space to run away from a telepath whose maximal area of effect was WORLDWIDE, who won't be giving idiotic dramatic talks before attack or will be smacked to the face by She-Hulk and exhausted in psi-duel with an Eternal before facing you)

Next Scoobs went on about some pretty ridiculous stuff like copying the suit or other mentioned in prep tech being impossible to us- when we have absolutely legal access to samples\holograms in the prep as long as the actual War Suit isn't brought to the battle (decoder and forcefield generators (that withstood full force Superman speedblitz) were legal.
Let me put that ridiculous stuff to the rest:

Zachary repairs a couple of destroyed buildings in seconds with a single spell
http://www.picamatic.com/view/992989_Page_00012/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/992994_Page_00013/

His powers in regards to inanimated stuff\inorganics are close to his cousin's level:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099600_Superman-_016/

Note than repaired building in background is fully electrified in the 1st cadre of second scan. Spell restored power grids, etc. And it took SECONDS.

Magik's organic matter manip. Scoobs uttered something incredibly ridiculous there- like being an X-ally she can't be so powerful to turn humans into mermaids and back. "She must have simply altered skin\blah-blah-blah!"

Thing is, she never even was a full-time X-Woman. The only X-Team she was at was Excalibur which she joined...to help recover Captain Britain from the timestream.

Here's a nice feat, also shows her level of expertise with soul magic:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124711_exc75p22/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124714_exc75p23/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124726_exc75p24/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124719_exc75p25/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124724_exc75p28/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124730_exc75p29/

Does that makes her>25 points? No. That strained her, and she never was that uber in actual combat magic and has just the opposite weakness to Zachary (big troubles affecting\altering inorganics).

I've also shown her recreating fully working bodies for a group of X-Men using energy from Soul Sword to amp herself (Soul Sword IS a standart equipment).

M'gann is subjective to psionic amp (after which she WTFPWNs the person who performed that on her) and Emma has PLENTY of expertise in psionic amping.

So- she has working matter manip, our technology is working (unlike yours), and our plan is plausible.

Unlike yours.

You have no rights to claim actual psi-armour from Black Knight issue for your team, have no skill to recreate them from scratch (you're building psi-blockers to stop one of the 5 best telepaths in the world, BTW, not dealing with someone on level of Monet StCroix).

Alchemy is highly ritualistic things. It depends on plenty of rituals and getting RIGHT INGRIDIENTS IN THE RIGHT SEASON- season, phase of moon etc matters more then just chemical compound. Replicating just that formula but with wrongly prepared chemicals... leads to failure as was shown above.
And Leo has admitted himself that Shift only copies chemical properties.

That leads to another big issue with their prep- no substantial proof than Shift can copy something without having actual sample to make visual\tactile contact. And due to speeding up reactions decreasing actual effectivity of Diablo's potions, adamantium and vibranium having tons of unstable isotopes etc.

Their "intangibility" is simply turning to gaseous state- and the gases can be blown apart in sooo many different ways it isn't even funny. Mine is shunting my mass to different dimension leaving a transparent image- and it helps pretty well against BOTH energy and physical attacks.

Their teleporting can even not be the one- and they showed no scans of COMBAT teleportation while I've presented PLENTY of them which ARE teleportation without doubt.

They tried hard to ridiculise my team, while they themselves have only one character who actually matters in the battlefield (and whose speed will fade after psi-blocker-less Cortez dies).

Ultimo's adaptivity is LINKED to his original cybernethic design. As long as you're transmuting him into different chemical element\compound, it fades.
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Summary

They have no psi-blockers (actual ones are illegal as they're not "team's standart equipment" and they have NO SUFFICIENT SKILL to build ones from scratch)

They can't obtain all the data needed in time as they're STILL dependent on the speed of computer, since Cho, even speeded up, is still a HUMAN HACKER who depends on computer. He may think superfast but he still receives info on the speed computer gives to him.

Their desperate argument against psi-resistance without psi-blockers fails due to numerous reasons shown in the scans (they stuck to those psi-blockers cause they're corpses without it).
They have only two attacks presented- gases (won't get past forcefield, and won't be even effective against my main amalgam) and "smuching" (nulled by armours, forcefields, intangibility, elasticity).

The afterthought forest fire is a desperate attack based on misconception. As long as fire doesn't make physical contact with Miss Martian, she's fine (shown on actual scans).

You are brainless vegetables.

Your "teleportation" and "intangibility" leaves your open to kinetic\energy attack.

Teleporting inside your dome or containment is LEGAL as it has nothing to do with OHKO teleporting body parts away\teleporting metal spike to your heart. I'm not harming your actual body by simply teleporting inside your line of defence.

OK. That's all, scans are posted for reference in scan-only posts on that and previous pages.
Good luck.

Scoob's Scan Splosion

Ultimo:

Not quite peak level Ultimo Vs Iron Man and some rock guy

1. http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=awake1ih6.jpg
2. http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=awake2xy5.jpg
3. http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=awake3kc2.jpg
4. http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blast1zp5.jpg

Shows good strength, reactions, durability and energy blasts

The reinforcements, The Iron Legion, arrive in older versions of the IM armour and proceed to get uber-pwned:

5. http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironlegion1fv7.jpg
6. http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironlegion2id2.jpg

War Machine is with them ... he gets pwned too:

7. http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wm1om9.jpg
8. http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wm2gs7.jpg

He actually took out War machine and 5 older version IM suits in that arc, all piloted by people who have used the armours briefly before.

Iron Legion - http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironlegionza1.jpg

Durability:

http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=durable1cb8.jpg

http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=durable2yc1.jpg

(obviously not tourney enhanced at these stages either)

Adaptation:

Gets taken down:

http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightning0ae3.jpg

Same attack later fails:

1. http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightning1cr7.jpg
2. http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightning2nq8.jpg

Minor strength feat:

http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strength1ul7.jpg

Takes on Thor:

1. http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor1nf6.jpg
2. http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor2jc3.jpg

Thor eventually wins, of course, but still impressive.

Diablo:

Lots of stuff for Diablo in the scan bank ... I'll stick to what we used though (don't want to give everything away before the next round)

Force Fields:

1. http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diablo02lc9.jpg

2. http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield1ei1.jpg

Sleeping Gas:

http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diablo03db3.jpg

One of many poisons available:

http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boom1wx7.jpg

Non-violent incapacitation (the kind of gases/potions that we floodedthe battlefield with right at the star):

1. http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freeze1ew7.jpg
2. http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freeze2fc1.jpg

3. http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kosthethingqu8.jpg
4. http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ko2gp8.jpg
5. http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ko2fk2.jpg

6. http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paralasys1or2.jpg

7. http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paralasys2cu8.jpg

8. http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stunshowerub4.jpg

Can create Vibranium easily:

http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vibranium1rq5.jpg

And once more at full size.....

B!tchslaps FTW!

😄

Symmetric Chaos wrote on Oct 26th, 2008 10:35 AM:
Charlotte Vs. Scoob/Leo

Hard match to give a ruling on (always seems that way with CDB). Rather than giving a complete run down I'm just going to cover the basics. I don't buy Luthor's metagene reactivating and even if it does they can turn it off. I don't but Emma's mind amping M'gann to J'onn's level in anything but TP. I don't buy Emma or M'gann using TP on robots. Frankly I have to say Scoob and Leo effectively dismantled much of Charlotte's plan and threw even more of it into question whereas I can find no serious flaws in their reasoning or planning.

Vote: Scoob/Leo

-V- wrote on Oct 25th, 2008 08:12 AM:
JUDGES VOTE

Fairly entertaining match you guys put together, congratulations to both parties as always.

I think this match was pretty clear cut all along, Charlotte you made alot of claims that I personally didn't believe (neither did your opponents, it would seem); I wasn't persuaded once that Lex and Co. would be able to recreate the exogene, his claims that they'd come back in a second seemed more like desperate attempts to get Irons' to give him some sort of mercy.

I think the whole suit thing cost you quite badly, because you spent alot of time on it which could have been spent upon other things.

Scoobless and Leo, I think you were pretty fortunate in that Charlotte spent alot more time than she should have on Lex's armour/exogene, but you had a very simple and effective plan and Charlotte's defences IMO weren't strong enough to stop you.

Therefore, my vote = LEO/SCOOB.

This one is actually very brief. Reading through this match, and all the points and counter points, the main factor that stuck in my mind was this:

Even if short lived, like the vibranium Diablo created in the scans was, the materials would still be sufficient for the duration of the match, and thus Charlotte's team would still be facing a mach 10 speed gigantic adamantium/vibranium robot.

Beyond that, I do believe it possible for Magik, given the supporting evidence, to alter genetics and jump start the metagene if it were still present. The issue is whether or not the gene is actually still present, and I saw no evidence that it was.

I also have some issues with the psi inhibitors. I didn't see any evidence that Leo/Scoob could instantly create the psi inhibitors in prep as they stated (Scoob stated creation, not simply grabbing them and bringing them along).

Even with them possibly not having the inhibitors, the only members of the team that would likely be harmed by the assault would be Cho and Cortez, and team Charlotte would still be facing a gigantic indestructible super shape shifting robot.

Judge Vote: Leo & Scoob