League of Champions Week Five: Digi Vs. Kandi/id369

Digi Post #5

Originally posted by id369
exactly what is the reason as to why we lost our power set again? Oh we didn’t, because inside those symbiotic suits are the fully functioning body resurrected by Spawn thanks magic. Get your facts strait Digi.

As soon as you show Spawn regurgitated Hell Spawn using their original body's powers, I'll believe you. To this point, nothing has been shown. Otherwise, you have inexperienced symbiotes.

Originally posted by id369
Well here is the shock factor, killing of War Spawn will not effect the Gambit or Cable. This is evident by the fact that Chris (one of the other Hell Spawns born through All) was running around, while Al was inches away from his death. Besides who would you know who to target to begin with, did your team spy on my own while we ware during prep.

You said it yourself, the characters are our pawns. If I tell them to target Spawn, they will. And near death doesn't = death, especially when their souls are now completely controlled by Spawn. Kill the controller, kill them all.

Originally posted by id369
Hehe this was worth a chuckle. Indeed I manage to do all of the above, because it can be done on the fly.

"On the fly."

Hear that? They can enact parts of their plan on the fly. As in, once the battle starts, Tony's using 5 different attacks to incapacitate WM, and my other two behemoths are wrecking anything that moves in mere hundreths of a second, traveling at tourney limit speeds (Mach 10).

Originally posted by id369
Ah I see as for minion fist = hitting air thanks to my phasing.

A temporary solution at best, and one that you likely won' do before my speedblitz. Even if you did, it buys you time but makes attacking impossible. So I fly away until you're ready to fight.

Originally posted by id369
Ironman’s blast meet our force fields. Simulated TK baby, imagine what a group of us can do with it when we coun on the best in the TK out their

A shield? Cool. I punch it a few times and it's gone. Or blast it mercilessly. And I still have yet to see anything offensive that you think could hurt a herald level-er.

Originally posted by id369
Haha, your own scan proves what you claim to be a soul escaped with out Minion dieing.

You don't even know what you're talking about here. That was a machine specifically designed to extract one of his personalities, that he willingly attached himself to because he needed that dude's help in fighting a menace.

Originally posted by id369
This is your fuggly trap? Joker Spray and still ranting about not being able to cope with that measly 106 personalities.

Again get your facts strait, Spawn was still handling 6,000 souls fine. Spawn empathizing with the entire planet. He does so every day of his life. The only reason why, he feels he cant bare Amel and Shanti was because he never coped with lost of a new born (or unborn in their case). And it really does not help your case, to know the fact that Spawn was weaken from his previous encounter with Kali who happens to be MoM the omnipotent God of Spawn verse.

If he's fighting omnipotent god's of universes, are you really being honest with using the correct version of Spawn? Or with his original power set? Spawn has so many incarnations that none of us has any way of knowing what exactly you're doing with him, and whether he can or can't perform everything you say he can.

And since he's doing about a dozen different things just for you to have a chance, I'm guessing the answer is "no, he can't."

Originally posted by id369
Guess what it doesn’t matter, the fact that it was built by Jazz and not Optimus completely compromises its use. It has to be built by Optimus or at least a scan that shows he has the capability to built one. Do you have such scans? If not then just making them up.

The scans I show do show that Optimus made them. Jazz made new ones later on based on Optimus' design. Are you really saying that a person who designed them can't manufacture them with a laboratory, materials, and resources to do it? Lulz.

Originally posted by id369
Again your missing the point of passing off a feat from one charter to another. Did Optimus juice up Ironman? Not by the scans you submitted, which makes your point quite moot.

*sigh*

I circled it in pink this time, to make it super special easy for you.
http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=op24uh6.jpg

Now quit making things up.

Originally posted by id369
We asked for two scans, two simple scans.
1) That states Minion can absorb souls.
2) Another that states, Marvel or the Adams can conjure the Shazam with just their souls.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=11196288#post11196288

Now quit making things up.

Originally posted by id369
However between coming up with the so called psy blockers (who aren’t created by Optimus), juicing up Ironman (who Optimus took no part up). And going out of your way, to explain why you came across the idea you can absorb souls, and conjure Shazam bolt with just the souls…with out a freaking scan that says so. Its really makes your remarks dubious, exactly what are you trying to pull of here other then a smoking mirror.

It's smoke and mirrors, not smoking mirror. But I think you'll find that overtly denying what your opponent has clearly shown hurts your chances with judges, instead of accepting the scans and countering them, not lying about them.

Originally posted by id369
Force field (aka simulated TK).

Phasing

The best damage soak in the game.

The "best damage soak in the game" is a scan of a random rod surprising the hell out of Spawn. No frame of reference to the amount of power, or if he even absorbed it effectively. But showing scans that may or may not show what you claim seems about normal by now for Spawn.

The others are defensive measures that buy time, but not a win. Not against the behemoths I'm fielding. I'm still not sure how you plan on hurting me.

Originally posted by id369
As for Minion -
The bio contradicts itself, since he is clearly effected by outside influence if we take into account that Jean Grey telepathy worked on him.

It's not Jean, it's Dark Angel. Minion had part of Dark Angel's power inside him, which allowed her to find a focal point to latch onto in him. And he submitted to it and was immobilized for it.

You don't have a latching point, Minion isn't submitting to it, and again how are you going to do this in a heated battle?

And does this mean you believe the soul transfer? You'd have to deny the existence of that scan to say that you don't.

Originally posted by id369
Technopathy

Nothing shown trumps my own scans. At worst, technopathy is a stalemate and I can still just whale on them to death.

Minion can override tech-based shielding (btw, the scan is from someone from millenia into the future, whose tech is > any in this battle)
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3zz4.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4su1.jpg

Also, Minion's a cyborg. Part organic, and from advanced future tech. AND he's shielded from remote influencing (his maker's words, not mine).

I posted Tony's impressive technopathy in the last couple posts. It matches or betters everything id posted, and then some. Pretending they have an advantage here over an insanely teched-out team is laughable.

Originally posted by id369
That is an epic battle?….the highlight of Optimus Prime is taking on some weak sauce decipticons.
Spawn took on Dark Urizen, the indestructible Dark God that required all of Hell and Earth. Granted he didn’t out right beat him, but he did bind him…what’s that you said about binding minion or anyone of your team from that matter?

Which shows...what? Some energy blasts? I didn't see binding of anyone close to my level. Think you can bind Superman? Probably not, eh? And I'm better.

And any shield you erect, I can also use my weakness detection:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Legionnaires-022-08.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Legionnaires-022-15.jpg

Or break out of your silly binding:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/LSuperboyLSH231-28.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/LSuperboyLSH231-30.jpg
...combined with Cpt. Marvel-like strength.

...

- If you believe my plan, I win. Not only that, but I win handily. They haven't shown anything that I can't easily counter. And their only refutation of Minion Prime is claiming I haven't shown anything, but then using the scans I've shown for it to try to strengthen their cause. They're either deluding themselves, or outright lying to try to debunk my plan. Because they have no other objections to it other than denying what I've already shown.

- Oh, and they still want to empathically attack me with Joker's mind inside of me. Don't let them bury that into obscurity. It's fairly damning to their cause.

- Just thought of this: plucking souls directly from Minion would constitute mid-battle mind possession, which is banned under tourney rules. I'm protected from it anyway, but it's also illegal.

Judges I have to say out of all my matches I have previously held. This one has to bin the most entertaining one. I mean we have a tournament vet, pointing fingers and demanding scans (which I have and posted). Because apparently my prep/strategy seem dubious. However maybe he should just take his finger pointing actions, and look into the mirror so he could take a good look at his reflection.

Tony Stark Mecha like Suit being maxed out. The scan shown to us is not something that Optimus did by himself. It was a joint effort of Optimus, Bumble Bee, and Jazz [Click Me] . His response was that it Optimus could do it by himself. We have no idea of what the time frame would be, but sure. “I could juice it even more if I wanted“…Ok…the scan clearly states it cant take much more then a 150%, so why make such an embellished comment? Nobody cares, and if you could you would have done so. The point is you cant, adding more to the comment than necessary really brings down one character.

Psi Blockers. Kandy called him on it. They where not created by Optimus, Digi states they are of Optimus design. But I see no scan that says so otherwise, and it’s a moot point since; Optimus would have to show he has the capability to built them, and the spare time to do so. Why would Digi go through such lengths to claim he has psi blockers? Because Tony Stark is susceptible to telepathy.

And down goes Tony with a mind swipe.

Minion, the so called world breaker. Digi claims he can absorb souls, its how his victims are assimilated. And that he can call down the Shazam power, by simply keeping their souls. Now keep in mind this, apparently we can keep memories or souls for information retention. I had no idea we can call up on their power of characters we have not drafted (enemies former/allies) or that are not currently in our rosters.

I am not going to say anything but lets take it back a minute. Me and Kandy asked if there is a scan which states:
A) Minion can in fact assimilate ones souls.
B) A scan explaining he can call down the Shazam bolt with just the hosts soul.

What we are treated with? is a vary decorative post, to replace a simple scan request. Apparently adding comments such as: all the previous Judges agreed, my prep was unbroken, and its 100% every step of the way….is enough to hide the fact that they are noting much then an assumptive claim he got away with last round. Let me ask this instead, and I challenge Digi to post the scan. Is their a scan that explains how Minion assimilation works. I bet you it will only mention assimilating ones memories, and nothing to do with absorbing ones soul. Because if he did, he would not have gone through the trouble of posting such decorative claim.

Dig claims I have no response to take down his characters. Yet neither Tony nor Minion have any protection, towards empathy. Hence the reason why Tony isn’t even defended.

Woot, their goes Tony again.

But Minion... he is defending him with tooth and nail. Asserting himself that Spawn will be drowned with 106 personalities. I responded it was bull, and Spawn will go unshaken since he deals with over 6,000 personalities every day on his own (not counting the Globe he empathizes with). What was his response? I mean he outright dared me, to go forth with the empathy because of his trap yawn. The Joker, the freaking Joker. Its in one of his personalities he assimilated, and the Joker made Spectre go insane. Hehe ok.......
If the Joker made the Spectre go insane why wouldn’t Minion do so as well. I mean Minion can pull off, what some mighty Cosmic Force cant? Talk about shooting yourself on the foot. No that’s not going to fly.

Minion is down, by self T.K.O

But wait, I actually have a response. Spawn has gone through hell and back several times. There is no one in Marvel or DC, and certainly no one in Digi team that can break this man spirit. This proven time and time again, by the comic itself. Malebolgia (a lord of hell) for all his torturing, could not bend his will. Mammon (a lord of hell) & Thumaz (the ambassador of hell, and the one in charge of torturing hells victims), could not break his spirit. Its not just that the comic states it...He took MoM trails! no one should be able to lay a harsher trail, or a more painful punishment then the Omnipotent being in their respective company [Click Me] . And Al Simmons endured it [Click Me] . He actually affirms what his stance, despite pain in the next scene [Click Me] . I don’t know, maybe I am rambling on, but do you guys see why simply stating what the Joker did to Spectre is just laughable. Its not about what the Joker will do to me, but what I will do to the Joker. And as a Telepath, an Empath, as a Man wielding demonic powers I have many options which includes ripping apart another face painted freak [Click Me] .

And Minion is down again. Oh BTW, Spawn is not effected by toxins, at all.

Telepathy on Minion.
We where shown Minion taking on Psylock psy-blade, and scan that states he is immune to it. Yet, he was effected by Jean telepathy. Alright, lets look at my team we count on Spawns telepathy which at a grander scale then Jean. Yet its well refined, because I count on Cables experience. If Jean could effect Minion, my team sure as hell can. What Digi responded, was Minion needed to be held down. Can I hold him down? Like yeah…simulated TK that checked off a nuclear explosion and funneled it [Click Me] . Stopping US army in its tracks [Click Me] , 2/3 of the reasons why Dark Urizen was held down was because of Spawn! [Click Me] . So yes we can hold him down. You are either susceptible to Telepathy or not, it makes no difference if we have to physically hold a character down.

Technopahty.
Here is an interesting battle, I want to know if Digi has what it takes to take me on in the Cyberworld. Because we can manipulate the data as if we where Neo from the Matrix. Black Box autonomous robot took Cable on. Cable manifested a gun in the Cyberworld and shot him [Click Me] , and the damage manifests in real life [Click Me] . Tony has problems submitting nanobot infested brain, among the reasons was because its too human like [Click Me] . Well Cable submitted human minds (that’s not really a limitation or excuse) [Click Me] . He also submitted Phalanx Embryo [Click Me] , in an cationic state. That’s just Cable alone, remember all my team mates have acquired technopathy. And all are making use of Cable experience they have gained. Now add on the Professor to assist in anyway (which I wager is the best A.I. in the tourney), and for War Spawn, the warwear A.I. that by passed Stark security codes, and took out a fellow Eidelon warrior. Not bad I say.

As for my hellish army two things.

First - killing of Al Simons will not kill of Gambit and Cable. These two bonded with Spawn, and gained his powers upon being called forth. Spawn can call them in and out as he pleases, but when the Soul manifests in the actual world. It holds no ties to Al’s well being. Chris ran around, doing his thing in order to save Al from his death bed. 10 Souls survived and lived on, despite Al letting them go, and losing all his powers. Hell, the reason why only 10 survived to begin with was because he probly killed off

Second - Why oh why would Cable, Gambit, or Spot lose their powers after bonding with Al? Seriously 3rd age means, Al walks around his resurrected body, and calls forth his Spawn powers and Symbiote as he pleases [Click Me] . It is no different with the souls he just bonded with, and resurrected. They gained his power set, but underneath the suit they are perfectly fine, as if their moment of death never came to pass. Willingly if I want to use Gambit biokenitc charge, I can vary well do so. I have no clue where this entire mess came from.

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So do I have the power to take down Digi? I certainly have if my foe has little to no protection against, he claims he does but so will every other member in this tournament. Do I have the raw Force to match Digi team? That depends entirely on you, if you believe his prep on Minion. Then no, I cant plant my feat and go toe to toe with him in a slug fest. If you don’t, then odds are that our building tossing strength, and the force of tearing through nuke proof alloy would be suffice to compete.

Peace out - Id

Originally posted by DigiMark007
The scans say they were Optimus's design, Jazz makes a couple more in seconds later in the arc, and it's a neural inhibitor capable of blocking remote influences to the brain....in a word, telepathy.

http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=op20lp9.jpg

The text bubble is clearly coming from him, and not Optimus (who has blue hands.)

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I do.
http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=99&itemid=9440|Stuart
An interview with the writer of the arc. Here's the important quote:
It's pre-Civil War; the story is set, in Marvel continuity, between the first and second story arcs of NEW AVENGERS.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Look at them again. There's a line coming from Optimus as well. Nice try though. And if you say he wouldn't be able to charge it that much, that took seconds for all 3. Prime has 10 minutes. I could juice it even more if I wanted.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Reading helps. I already explained all of this in my first post. And I didn't fool anyone, because contrary to what you might believe I don't like having to stretch the truth for a plan. I researched it meticulously, made sure every aspect of it was legal and proven, and proceeded accordingly.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So would regular Mary Marvel be illegal in this tourney? Under your flawed logic, she would.

It's quite similar to the Joey Stacks Nabu-Possession Dr. Fate gambit in Evangel's tourney.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Anyway, you're misunderstanding the nature of their power, as well as the idea of outside help. The Marvels always have access to their power. Billy, for example, can say "Shazam" any time he wants and become Cpt. Marvel. This requires no outside "granting" of the powers, because the default is that they have access to them. Outside help, then, would be if one of the outsiders took away their access to the power, which would change the nature of their power during the battle. Therefore, I have the power...to not have it would be illegal.

For example, Eternity is the embodiment of time. So while simply existing in time (Mary Marvel) isn't illegal, specifically summoning Eternity is (Shazam powering a new character.)

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Nicer than Cpt. Atom when he got dumped trucked by Mary (1/3 of my total power, btw, + KK's skill)?? Doubtful.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
But he does have the luxury of weakness identification, KK's specialty:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/titanslsh4-20.jpg

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Combined with Superman level strength:
http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=61f64_posz4.jpg

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So heck, if it takes a few seconds to analyze your shields and bypass them, chances are you'll be a puddle on the ground by then anyway.

Additionally, you never even tried to counter my other points regarding Optimus. He is just a complete dead character in this fight, and without the psi-blockers we can easily mind rape you.

Digi Post #6

Originally posted by id369
I mean we have a tournament vet, pointing fingers and demanding scans

Only when necessary. And I think you'll find I don't blanket my demands, but only point out when you haven't shown something. Such as Hell Spawns retaining their original body's powers, for example. Without proof of, you're left without Spot, Gambit, etc. and their powers but just have inexperienced symbiotes.

Originally posted by id369
However maybe he should just take his finger pointing actions, and look into the mirror so he could take a good look at his reflection.

I will. It's freaking gorgeous.

😎

Originally posted by id369
Tony Stark Mecha like Suit being maxed out. The scan shown to us is not something that Optimus did by himself. It was a joint effort of Optimus, Bumble Bee, and Jazz [Click Me] . His response was that it Optimus could do it by himself. We have no idea of what the time frame would be, but sure.

I think that last sentence was actually conceding that I could do it. In any case, the 3 of them did it in 2 panels in the middle of a battle. Anyone can see that. I'd be shocked if it took Prime less than a minute alone. And even in the worst case scenario, I have a slightly amped giant mech-armor, then Extremis. And that's if you're right, which you aren't. Worst case scenario, and my plan still pwns.

Originally posted by id369
Psi Blockers. Kandy called him on it. They where not created by Optimus, Digi states they are of Optimus design. But I see no scan that says so otherwise

You want another scan saying Optimus designed them? Shouldn't 1 be enough, from Prime himself?

Originally posted by id369
Why would Digi go through such lengths to claim he has psi blockers? Because Tony Stark is susceptible to telepathy.

Actually, it's what we in the business call "overkill." That way, even if part of the plan goes wrong, we're still more than ok. As it stands, nothing gets in the armor that Tony doesn't allow. This goes down to the subatomic level, as I showed before (and in my scans-only post below this).

Originally posted by id369
Minion, the so called world breaker. Digi claims he can absorb souls, its how his victims are assimilated. And that he can call down the Shazam power, by simply keeping their souls. Now keep in mind this, apparently we can keep memories or souls for information retention. I had no idea we can call up on their power of characters we have not drafted (enemies former/allies) or that are not currently in our rosters.

That's your own fault for not understanding the rules, or allowing them to be clarified for you. As it is, everything I'm doing is legal.

Originally posted by id369
I am not going to say anything but lets take it back a minute. Me and Kandy asked if there is a scan which states:
A) Minion can in fact assimilate ones souls.
B) A scan explaining he can call down the Shazam bolt with just the hosts soul.

What we are treated with? is a vary decorative post, to replace a simple scan request.

The post I linked you to had numerous scans, with explanations, detailing everything you asked for. You asked for a single scan; I gave you about a dozen, stretched over 3-4 separate instances. They're in the scans post again below, since apparently I'm a coward or something for not reposting the same material.

Originally posted by id369
Dig claims I have no response to take down his characters. Yet neither Tony nor Minion have any protection, towards empathy. Hence the reason why Tony isn’t even defended.

You yourself stated that you'd have to touch us for the empathic attack. I've got 2 impenetrable armors that say otherwise.

Also notice that he's going after Tony. Who, despite being a two-armored beast, may actually be my weakest link. Let's see him argue against a High Herald leveler like Minion.

Originally posted by id369
The Joker, the freaking Joker. Its in one of his personalities he assimilated, and the Joker made Spectre go insane. Hehe ok..

Hehe, ok indeed.

Originally posted by id369
If the Joker made the Spectre go insane why wouldn’t Minion do so as well. I mean Minion can pull off, what some mighty Cosmic Force cant? Talk about shooting yourself on the foot. No that’s not going to fly.

Now I'm beginning to think you just aren't reading. I already countered this possible tactic before you even brought it up.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Fortunately, Death's Head (the controlling personality) can lock him up when needed:
http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh19ny7.jpg
And can bring him back out whenever he needs to.

Ta-da!

Moving on.

And for the record, I'm not saying I would be crazily messing with Spawn when he attacks me empathically. I'm saying I'm well-defended against it, which I am. 110+ nasty personalities (including Jean Grey and her natural telepathic immunity from the Taskmaster amalgam in round 2), added to the Joker, who I specifically absorbed for this purpose, added to the fact that Minion's mostly mechanized, and you have a neutralized attack.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Oh BTW, Spawn is not effected by toxins, at all.

Will need proof, not vague words, and only from the era you drafted him at. Because I showed scans of Joker Gas working on a New God, among others. You have a High Meta.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Telepathy on Minion.
We where shown Minion taking on Psylock psy-blade, and scan that states he is immune to it. Yet, he was effected by Jean telepathy.

Now you're definitely not reading, because I've corrected you on the Jean thing twice already, iirc, and also explained the circumstances behind the incident you're trying to play off. But anyway, the Marvels are immune to tp too due to their magic resistance. So add that to the scans I already showed of Minion being immune.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
You are either susceptible to Telepathy or not, it makes no difference if we have to physically hold a character down.

I'm not, I still have the psi-blockers even if I was, and so now you have to beat my team physically....which is impossible. Or at least it is for your team.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Technopahty.

Saving this for the scans-only post below. This give and take is beginning to annoy me, so I'm just going to scan blitz his ass.

And please keep in mind, all I'm trying to show is that his technopathy wouldn't affect me. I actually think mine could take over him. But I don't even need that. All I need is resistance against it to the point that I can unload on his team with my superior strength, speed, energy, durability, healing, massive skill, etc. etc.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
As for my hellish army two things.

Yes yes, you like pontificating about Spawn. All your eggs are really in one basket though.

Anyway, judges, decide on your own with his plan. I actually believe the soul takeover, but not the part of them retaining their original powers, because he has never shown that. And if he hasn't by now, my guess is that such proof doesn't exist.

Nor do I believe the part about being able to manufacture enough tech in a short amount of time to directly interface with the entire team. Which still doesn't give them my power. If you believe Minion Prime, I win effortlessly.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Do I have the raw Force to match Digi team? That depends entirely on you, if you believe his prep on Minion.

Translation: If you believe my plan, I win. As I've been saying all along. He has, what, telepathy and technopathy? If I haven't already shut those things down (I have) I will below.

News and Notes

- Please read through the scans below in my next post. Some are repeats for easy reference, others are first-timers. All are pertinent to either my plan, my offense against him, or my counters to his 1-2 remaining options.

- Let's go worst-case scenario and say you don't believe the Marvels (you absolutely should, and they've done nothing to debunk it). I still have KK's skills inside Minion. Give Class 100 strength:
http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gold4yy9.jpg
To a character with this level of control:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Untitled-Scanned-13.jpg
And adamantium-like durability:
http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=41mh1.jpg
And Minion is still a team-wrecker.

- Stealing souls mid-battle is still illegal. They can't make that argument.

- Minion could literally destroy the planet if he wanted to. They're expecting you to believe that someone with documented tp and empathic immunity is going to be taken down easily, while they can withstand planet-busting powers. From 1/3 of my team. Ridiculous.

Digi Scans-Only Post #1

Souls

Transferring a soul out of Minion into a new host body
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh1dx2.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh2nz5.jpg

A former soul inside Minion details his escape when Minion was temporarily destroyed
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh17ar2.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh18uq9.jpg

The exorcism of a soul inside of him, which would be impossible without souls:
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel12rm8.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel13xb7.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angel14cv9.jpg

Minion stating that a person is inside of him now:
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh23zw7.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh24qd9.jpg

Technopathy

Minion analyzing and overriding an armor that was more advanced than his own
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3zz4.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4su1.jpg

Tony controlling a remote armor
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psionicfrequencync9.jpg

Machine control, even partially on subatomic nanobots
http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imex7qd7.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imex8pd6.jpg

Emits an EM Pulse to shut down outside tech
http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imem1ms5.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imem2vd7.jpg
Minion is immune to EM forces, btw.

Misc.

Minion can survive nuke-level blasts ALONE
http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h1xu6.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h2ap1.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h3xa4.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h4tj8.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h5in7.jpg
And that's before the Marvel upgrade.

As for his energy blasts:
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=absorptionnovablastks3.jpg
I could redirect them. Because Nova Blast >> theirs. Or just laugh at them with Minion.

Tony's reaction times:
http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imreaction1sr7.jpg
So I do everything faster than them.

Not to mention the Marvel's speed:
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvel2rg6.jpg
Which is tourney limit and a blur to human eyes.

Last page of the Mary v. Atom fight. The whole thing is posted earlier:
http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mary7pp2.jpg
And that's with 1/3 of my power.

Only when necessary. And I think you'll find I don't blanket my demands, but only point out when you haven't shown something. Such as Hell Spawns retaining their original body's powers, for example. Without proof of, you're left without Spot, Gambit, etc. and their powers but just have inexperienced symbiotes.

Well lets use the Hell Spawns. What is their left for me to prove that Gambit, Cable, or Spot retain their powers after its resurrection? I mean its their physiological functions that govern their power am I am right or wrong? Well if the resurrection, restores one physiology completely, why would their powers be compromised despite gaining Hell Spawn powers? It doesn’t interfere with their physiology.

You want another scan saying Optimus designed them? Shouldn't 1 be enough, from Prime himself?

Actually, it's what we in the business call "overkill." That way, even if part of the plan goes wrong, we're still more than ok. As it stands, nothing gets in the armor that Tony doesn't allow. This goes down to the subatomic level, as I showed before (and in my scans-only post below this).

That's your own fault for not understanding the rules, or allowing them to be clarified for you. As it is, everything I'm doing is legal.

The post I linked you to had numerous scans, with explanations, detailing everything you asked for. You asked for a single scan; I gave you about a dozen, stretched over 3-4 separate instances. They're in the scans post again below, since apparently I'm a coward or something for not reposting the same material.

^ because the word exorcism, is used in the phrase one will go out and claim a it to over ones soul. But exorcism is nothing more then to take control over someone else’s body. Which now comes back to the scan and your referenced. When has telepathy ever effected a soul? We do know that minds can take over minds, and characters can suffer from multiple personality disorder. So yes the scan shows an exorcism performed by a telepath. A mental exorcism, to let go of his mental control.

You see, you take bits of one scan. And bits from another scan to come up with a claim, and the bit of fact that try to pass of, may well be misinterpreted. This is where assumptions claims are born.

You yourself stated that you'd have to touch us for the empathic attack. I've got 2 impenetrable armors that say otherwise.

Also notice that he's going after Tony. Who, despite being a two-armored beast, may actually be my weakest link. Let's see him argue against a High Herald leveler like Minion.

Well you have to keep in mind that I can apply empathy in both ways. A shell of material will do vary little to protect one from an emotional feed back of magical nature. Unless that piece of equipment is prepared to do so. Its no different then Telepathy, unless you have some psi bafflers or something of that nature. Characters in robitc suits will be effected.

Hehe, ok indeed.

Now I'm beginning to think you just aren't reading. I already countered this possible tactic before you even brought it up.

Ta-da!

Moving on.

And for the record, I'm not saying I would be crazily messing with Spawn when he attacks me empathically. I'm saying I'm well-defended against it, which I am. 110+ nasty personalities (including Jean Grey and her natural telepathic immunity from the Taskmaster amalgam in round 2), added to the Joker, who I specifically absorbed for this purpose, added to the fact that Minion's mostly mechanized, and you have a neutralized attack.

And you are proud of this reply? You mean to tell me, that Death’s Head will neutralize the Jokers personality the moment he is assimilated. Yet Spectre, a high end Cosmic Force from the DC verse wouldn’t. It still fall backs, to Death Heads ability to netualize a personality better then Spectre. But this was already countered wasn’t it? Joker has nothing to offer in his insanity, that Spawn has not already lived through, and Spawn can literately kill off personality like he did with Major Forsberg in issue #126 [Click Me] -[Click Me] .

http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn127pg00aifcsdcb4.jpg

Not to take anything away, but that is a vary, vary, bias logic.

Now you're definitely not reading, because I've corrected you on the Jean thing twice already, iirc, and also explained the circumstances behind the incident you're trying to play off. But anyway, the Marvels are immune to tp too due to their magic resistance. So add that to the scans I already showed of Minion being immune.

As for the TP immunity, recently not so much.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Martian%20Manhunter/mmvsblackadam3.jpg

Saving this for the scans-only post below. This give and take is beginning to annoy me, so I'm just going to scan blitz his ass.

And please keep in mind, all I'm trying to show is that his technopathy wouldn't affect me. I actually think mine could take over him. But I don't even need that. All I need is resistance against it to the point that I can unload on his team with my superior strength, speed, energy, durability, healing, massive skill, etc. etc.

Yes yes, you like pontificating about Spawn. All your eggs are really in one basket though.

Anyway, judges, decide on your own with his plan. I actually believe the soul takeover, but not the part of them retaining their original powers, because he has never shown that. And if he hasn't by now, my guess is that such proof doesn't exist.

Nor do I believe the part about being able to manufacture enough tech in a short amount of time to directly interface with the entire team. Which still doesn't give them my power. If you believe Minion Prime, I win effortlessly.

Each one of us has Cable experience, granted to the harness inside Providence.
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cd182005streetsamuraidcjd8.jpg

Cable has vast experience manipulating atoms. This is his highlight restoring the entire cities structure (along with Silver Surfer).
http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cabledeadpool102005streetsamur.jpg
http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cabledeadpool102005streetsamur.jpg

Each one of us, now hold matter manipulating abilities.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6493/spawn00912ku5.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mattermaipulationvn1.jpg

We have Cable’s experience, Cable’s designs for his tech, and the ability to play with atoms to come up with what ever we want. Keeping all of this in mind, isn’t far out of my hands as you claim.

So here goes the scan blitz.

Spawn

Spawn and my Legion. Proof that souls called forth by Spawn are revived with Hell Spawn powers.
http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slimerspawn183018pw1.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slimerspawn183019mq5.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slimerspawn183020xg6.jpg

Phasing
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phasingam3.jpg

Super Strength
http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buildingtossersuperstresj9.jpg

Durability
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=durabilitysl7.jpg\

Dipped in Lava
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=durabilitydippedinlavajf5.jpg

Regen
http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regenbj3.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regen2xt4.jpg

Level of Empathy he has.
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nowheretorunorhideym8.jpg

Hands Free Empathy
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=empathytelepathyhj4.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=empathytelepathy2le0.jpg

Hands on Empathy
http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page006ue5.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page007mf7.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page008uz4.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page009jq8.jpg

^intermission, this scan was to badass for me not to comment. “That’s just a taste. Just the merest shadow of what hell is like”. And I love the art, Medina does an excellent job in his illustrations.

Teleportation
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teleportationez3.jpg

Flight
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flight2vl2.jpg

Spiritual Acid Breath.
http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spiritualacidbathsa7.jpg

Meet Dark Urizen, the Dark God that required all of Hell and Earth just to stop him.
http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn970405dp6.jpg

Every character has some high showings, this is one of Spawn’s and 2/3’s of the reasons why they managed to confine Dark Urizen was because of Spawn. It still badass, that he took on DU for 3 issues, once again great art.

http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn9918dh4.jpg

Killing a personality
http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn126pg20shinterkv3.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn126pg21shintersh7.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn127pg00aifcsdcb4.jpg

Spawn is the toughest SOB in the tourney.
Meet the almighty all powerful MoM.
http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn158p08mz8.jpg

Spawn takes her/his beating.
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn156p05up0.jpg
And endures!
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn156p0607sv4.jpg

^It takes pelotas, and an iron will to do what he just did.

Cable Technopathy
We bend and twist the Cyberworld to our liking.
http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cdp2218bz8.jpg
Actual damage takes place on the real word.
http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cdp2219wd3.jpg

Cable submitted Phalanx embryo in a cationic state.
http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?...pool1216gl8.jpg

The Phalanx embryo is meshed up, and reconfigured to replace its missing t.o. mesh.
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?...2005stregk2.jpg

We can effect human minds
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5740/scan0023kx0.jpg

Outright defeated Black Box, in the Cyberwrold
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?...samuraidcb7.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?...samuraidie9.jpg

A glimpse of our hacking abilities, for recon and um black mail.
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page21qa3.jpg

Cable can interface with a Celestial Ship.
http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ool27p06rl9.jpg

During civil war Cable knows the identity of all renegade heros. He attained this information, in seconds. How long would it take to attain the identity of all registered superheroes?
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?...scan0014en0.jpg

Simulated TK

Unconscious he manages to re-establish the power grid.
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img014tm3.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img015tq4.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img016kn0.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img017ft0.jpg

Tanking, controlling, and funneling a Nuclear Explosion (Radiation, and all).
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img009tr3.jpg

Stopping US army and personal in its tracks.
http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img008jo0.jpg

Basically re-enforces the bio.
http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironmanv1324part22warmauy6.jpg

And Ironman manages to grasp the concept.
http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironmanv1324part22warmabj1.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironmanv1324part22warmahc6.jpg

Um Cyber-Empathy?
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironmanv1324part22warmacn1.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironmanv1324part22warmath4.jpg

K. That's 10 posts for you guys. I'll finish up with my arguments tomorrow.

Edit.

Sorry Kandy. That post is going to have to be deleted. Not even including the scans-only post that id just made, you're at 10 (and 11 with yours). You guys did a good job, but id has to learn to make the most of his posts. A few of them were only a few paragraphs long.

I thought the team got twelve posts?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=11203628#post11203628

Rule #13. 10 posts.

Digi Post #7

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sorry, I meant Ratchet designed them. Because that's what your scan says. The guy with the red hands (Ratchet) said "I designed them myself."

http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=op20lp9.jpg

The text bubble is clearly coming from him, and not Optimus (who has blue hands.)

Heh. The Transformers are occasionally hard to tell apart. I'll concede this, because I sincerely thought it was Optimus. As I was telling id earlier, though, it was insurance. I still have a 100% robot against whom telepathy is worthless, Tony's armor that let's nothing in or out even on the subatomic level, and Minion who has documented telepathic immunity. The psi-blockers were intended to avoid this silly discussion. I'm sorry I tried to make them, especially since I don't need them.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You're missing the point. They needed to transfer power from Jazz & Bumblebee. Optimus alone can't tranfer as much power (since three transformers>one)

Complete speculation, and not backed by evidence. None of them were drained at all, and they did it in 2 panels mid-battle. Optimus has 10 minutes. But let's say you're right, and Optimus can only push it to may 120%. I still have a supercharged mega-armor, then Extremis.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No but if you're asking Shazam to power up a new character (which is what happens when they say Shazam) then you're asking an outside entity to do something not inherent to the character, which is outside help.

The plan has already been approved by ill. By your definition, drafting the Marvels and having them use their powers normally would be illegal, since they call power from another source. Also, it's not a new character. Mary/Freddy/Amon are calling the power, just like always, because their souls are inside Minion (proven ad nauseum earlier).

Originally posted by King Kandy
It's quite similar to the Joey Stacks Nabu-Possession Dr. Fate gambit in Evangel's tourney.

'cept for the part where I got everything ok'd beforehand. Imposing your interpretation of the rules only works if you're the one establishing the precedents. You aren't.

Originally posted by King Kandy
This is true, [B]but only so long as it's Mary who's getting the power. The reason is that when a new character gains the power, you're requiring the outside entity to do something outside of the ordinary for your aid.[/B]

As before, it's Mary inside of Minion now. Same person, new host body. No one new is gaining the power. Your argument would only have merit if I didn't retain souls inside Minion.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Did he actively have a shield up?

Missed the point. Atom doesn't have regular shields. My point was that owning the sh*t out of him and cracking his armor is a far greater feat than besting whatever shields you put up, especially when Mary is only 1/3 of my magical power now. I'd be shocked if it took more than a punch or two to break through any and all defenses you guys have.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He can read weaknesses, sure, but can he detect the frequency to counter out a shield? I don't think so.

Actually...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Legionnaires-022-08.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Legionnaires-022-15.jpg
Which I've posted before. Again, reading helps.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Additionally, you never even tried to counter my other points regarding Optimus. He is just a complete dead character in this fight, and without the psi-blockers we can easily mind rape you.

Mind rape a sentient alien robot, who has never shown weakness to telepathy? You guys were better off with the technopathy route (destroyed earlier), since that argument doesn't even make sense.

Digi Post #8

Originally posted by id369
Well lets use the Hell Spawns. What is their left for me to prove that Gambit, Cable, or Spot retain their powers after its resurrection? I mean its their physiological functions that govern their power am I am right or wrong? Well if the resurrection, restores one physiology completely, why would their powers be compromised despite gaining Hell Spawn powers? It doesn’t interfere with their physiology.

Which we're still taking your word for. You've never shown it. So forgive me for not believing that a soul gives you exact instructions to recreate a person atomically exact so that they retain their original powers, especially when you can't produce evidence for it.

Btw judges, he shows some scans below of HellSpawn powers that he tries to play off as proof of this. But that was never the question. Their original powers were. So no Spot powers, no Gambit, etc. etc.

Originally posted by id369
You mean, micro nano-bots could not infect it hey that’s great. How has he fared with Telepathy, with the suit on? Does it state it can counter TP? Because he didn’t fare so well with Emma Frost. Out of the suit his mind was effected. In the suit, Emma was able located him.

His armor was open in both scans you showed. You're making my point for me.

Originally posted by id369
Let me think back, and use one as an example.
The exorcism of a soul inside of him, which would be impossible without souls:

^ because the word exorcism, is used in the phrase one will go out and claim a it to over ones soul. But exorcism is nothing more then to take control over someone else’s body. Which now comes back to the scan and your referenced. When has telepathy ever effected a soul? We do know that minds can take over minds, and characters can suffer from multiple personality disorder. So yes the scan shows an exorcism performed by a telepath. A mental exorcism, to let go of his mental control.

You're reaching now. Earlier you were using this to say you'd steal my souls, so you're only changing your mind now that it suits you (the earlier attack was illegal, btw). You're betraying your own bias.

As it is, I find it hard to believe it's only a "mind exorcism" with an incorporeal ghost being pulled from Minion. How could that be anything but a soul?

Also, you might have been able to cast some doubt on it if this was the only evidence I provided. As it is, it's 1 of 4 instances that support it.

Originally posted by id369
You see, you take bits of one scan. And bits from another scan to come up with a claim, and the bit of fact that try to pass of, may well be misinterpreted. This is where assumptions claims are born.

Only if one doesn't have a well-documented case. I'm not scan-cropping to show bias feats. I'm showing everything, and it supports me entirely.

And again, he believed my plan until he realized he couldn't use it to his advantage. Judges, let the scans speak for themselves. I wouldn't expect you to trust either id or myself. But trust the scans, and decide for yourself. I ask for nothing more.

Originally posted by id369
Well you have to keep in mind that I can apply empathy in both ways. A shell of material will do vary little to protect one from an emotional feed back of magical nature. Unless that piece of equipment is prepared to do so. Its no different then Telepathy, unless you have some psi bafflers or something of that nature. Characters in robitc suits will be effected.

Yes yes, and all becomes moot when I speedblitz your ass in the opening seconds, and cave in everyone's skulls with Minion is the opening few seconds.

And besides having specifically prepared for empathic assault, let's go through my defenses:
- He'd have to simultaneously attack 110+ personalities, many of them cybernetic, and many of them with natural tp defenses.
- Including the Joker, who is literally impossible to hurt empathically.
- Minion has documented immunity to such attacks (scans shown earlier)
- I will be speedblitzing them, so it'll have to be done in the middle of a battle against a FAR superior foe

Still think he has a chance? Lulz.

Originally posted by id369
And you are proud of this reply? You mean to tell me, that Death’s Head will neutralize the Jokers personality the moment he is assimilated. Yet Spectre, a high end Cosmic Force from the DC verse wouldn’t.

That's, well, stupid. Spectre was deliberately reading his mind. Death's Head has complete control over where the personalities are stored, etc. and is storing him, not trying to match him empathically. Again, just a mix-up of feats.

Originally posted by id369
Joker has nothing to offer in his insanity, that Spawn has not already lived through

Not to take anything away, but that is a vary, vary, bias logic.

It would only be biased if I was arguing that Joker would re-attack Spawn. Which I'm not. You can't empathically attack total insanity. That was my original, and only, point. I don't need to use this against you, because I have you so outclassed in every other way.

Originally posted by id369
Each one of us has Cable experience, granted to the harness inside Providence.
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cd182005streetsamuraidcjd8.jpg

Cable has vast experience manipulating atoms. This is his highlight restoring the entire cities structure (along with Silver Surfer).
http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cabledeadpool102005streetsamur.jpg
http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cabledeadpool102005streetsamur.jpg

Each one of us, now hold matter manipulating abilities.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6493/spawn00912ku5.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mattermaipulationvn1.jpg

We have Cable’s experience, Cable’s designs for his tech, and the ability to play with atoms to come up with what ever we want. Keeping all of this in mind, isn’t far out of my hands as you claim.

I know for a fact that the fight with Surfer was his actual powers, not the dubious simulated powers that you guys are using (since they drafted powerless Cable). Which begs the question: how much are you trying to say you can do that is complete and utter BS?

You can't reply at this point due to the rules, but I wish you could because I'd love to hear the justification for this. Since I'm not an expert on Cable, unless the judges are it calls a lot into question with him.

Same with Spawn, who you love facing off against "omnipotent and unstoppable" forces in your scans (despite the fact that usually not much is shown). You drafted a high meta. Of course, other versions of Spawn likely have >>>>> showings, but unless you're using scans from those eras, "omnipotent" should be out of his range, yes? I'm not accusing you outright, just saying that you've done an occasionally sloppy job of showing scans that don't really prove what you claim. And now there's this to consider. Luckily, I don't have to make the ruling. Judges do.

srug

Digi Post #9

- I didn't mean to have the last few posts. But they made the mistake of finishing too early. So meh. This post is just wrap-up.

- If you believe my plan (you should), I win easily. The next few points detail exactly why that is true.

- In Minion Prime, I created a being who is physically superior to anyone in the tournament by a lot. This isn't embellishment, just straight fact. Cpt. Marvel+ power, speed, and durability, combined with KK's inconceivable skill = a nigh-physically-unbeatable combo. It is backed with mountains of evidence that they did a frankly lackluster job of trying to debunk. Kandy attempted to declare it illegal despite me having gotten every step of it approved either with the rules themselves or with illadelph. And id tried to reinterpret them to mean the direct opposite of what they say. It should be believed without reservation.

- As such, they had to fall back on telepathy, technopathy, and empathic attacks because they had no other choice. See the next bullet point for why 2/3 of those are utterly neutralized.

- This just occurred to me during id's last couple posts: Cable's simulated telepathy and TK is tech-based, and therefore is technology replicating feats but not in the same manner as powers. All tech gives off a frequency to perform its actions:
http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=impico1ty3.jpg
Tony can analyze technological frequencies in picoseconds (the scans words, not mine) and neutralize it. Tony can neutralize all of their tp/tk/technopathy in the opening pico-seconds of the fight.. If that doesn't kill their last hope, I don't know what will.

- Which leaves, what, empathy? During a battle where I could literally be punching off chunks of the planet? Please. Especially when Minion has on-panel evidence showing him to be immune to such attacks (scans shown a couple times earlier). They were really grasping at straws here against a superior opponent.

- None of their scans show as much offensive or defensive capability as my team. Or durability, healing, etc. etc. Not even close.

- Speaking of confusing the enemy, I forgot to mention that Optimus will be projecting holograms to confuse them
http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=op18or0.jpg
or
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=op21in1.jpg
...which means it will take even longer for them to locate me and attack. By which point they will be dead. I only need a few seconds to destroy their entire team.

- Election Day is coming. Make sure you cast your vote for Optimus Prime for President. But also vote for Digi in this match. Optimus commands it!

....

YouTube video

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***Official Announcement***

This is a quick one:

Digi's use of the giant Optimus Prime sized Iron Man armor has been deemed a violation of the tech cap. Just that part of his plan is being dismissed. All other points stand.

-Management

None Debating Post.

I came here, to debate the plan I came up with when Kandy gave me heads up on what Digi was up to. This is the plan I choose to put together, and win or lose I am happy with the results. It was fun, I hope to do this again, and peace out.

- Id

Digi Post #10

Illadelph, according to the PM, thinks the large armor I used has all of the capabilities of Extremis, so he banned it because he thought it was > Extremis. It punches and does energy blasts. I showed every feat of it ever in my writeup. So a hearty wtf to the ruling, which I made perfectly clear was not nearly Extremis level. It was just to have a second armor to use for a bit before I segued to the far more useful Extremis. But that's ok. I abide by the boss man's rulings, even when I disagree and thinks that he misunderstood the tactic.

Which brings me to my next point: all it did was punch and use energy blasts. Astute judges will realize that every feat I used to justify Tony's superiority was in Extremis, not the Transformer armor. It was a novelty to use in conjunction with Optimus. If I had thought it would be a problem, I would've scrapped it and been just as well off. And as always, Minion's my teamwrecker, Tony and Optimus are also insanely tough to take out but are just there for support.

So everything from earlier still stands. Rulings that wait until the final hours of the fight get the 👇 from me in general. We should really have a time limit for mid-battle rulings....Tuesday/Wed. or something. Because even when it doesn't have much impact like this ruling, it seems to carry an unnecessarily large momentum shift, which shouldn't happen in this case because we're talking about a small aspect of the plan.

Fortunately, this particular ruling banned a metaphoric drop in the bucket that is my entire argument, so everything is pretty much the same. If you thought I won before, I still win. And vice versa if you thought I lost (though I didn't 😉 ).

In other words: every negation of their tech, every technopathy feat, including how I completely neutralize their tk/tp/tech frequency (shown in post #10), every durability and energy feat, was all in Extremis, except for the 2-3 scans about the big armor in the writeup. Everything. And Minion is still a goddamn god. And you'll notice the illegal ruling was about an inconsequential afterthought in prep, not about Minion. Everything remains perfectly legal and proven with scans. Whatever you thought before ill's posts, think it now. And believe the scans, which support me over them.

....

And since I didn't want to post a #10, but was forced to for the ruling, I'll make it worth your while. Optimus Prime on being a leader, a soldier, and a champion, all while kicking ass against a vastly superior opponent:

http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=op25001gn1.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=op27ou0.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=op28vc8.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=op29tb8.jpg

Believe the hype kids. Autobots, ROLL OUT!

😎

2nd and 4th scans aren't working for me at the end there Digi.