Originally posted by Decimus
It is within their power-sets combined. I don't view it as bs when viewed like that. If the psionic form is energy then the GL's could possibly contain,disperse, or use the psionic energy. They would have as much time as they needed theoretically at least.
COMBINED?you mean if any of them dont get ass raped first before they do this combined effort?
The question that must be asked then is: Is Onslaught faster than the Flash? Or even Superman or Hal? If he wanted to be Onslaught could warp reality and be faster but until then his reaction timing would be whatever it standardly was - since Onslaught never exibited speed on par with any of the three mentioned and that is all the JL needs.
All I can ask is who on Marvel Earth was faster than mutant thought or FTL at the time of the Onslaught Arc. It effectively determines how they could have handled (and is why they handled the situation the way they did)the situation. You cannot beat Onslaught directly if CIS or PIS is off unless you are a better reality manipulator, feed off whatever energy Onslaught exuded or vastly superior in the speed department to start off with.
Originally posted by Stoic
It really doesn't matter how fast they are, or strong, Onslaught could have the entire League fight amongst themselves, and take out the last person standing.
I would agree with you if this was a hypothetical battle in a comic book - then stuff like that would be a lot more probable but this battle does not take place in a comic. People come here to debate with entire current power sets unless stated otherwise. The Justice League has defeated more powerful beings then Onslaught in the past as well. Imperiex is a reasonable example of how varied the team can be a finding "impossible solutions". The JL in comics simply is a team that has better plot devices attached to them then Onslaught has attached to himself.
Originally posted by DecimusIn this debate there no plot device JLA can use against Onslaught.
I would agree with you if this was a hypothetical battle in a comic book - then stuff like that would be a lot more probable but this battle does not take place in a comic. People come here to debate with entire current power sets unless stated otherwise. The Justice League has defeated more powerful beings then Onslaught in the past as well. Imperiex is a reasonable example of how varied the team can be a finding "impossible solutions". The JL in comics simply is a team that has better plot devices attached to them then Onslaught has attached to himself.
Onslaught and Imperiex are powerful, but different power-sets of powerful...
Onslaught meets up with JLA and mind rapes them. End of story.
Originally posted by vansonbee
In this debate there no plot device JLA can use against Onslaught.Onslaught and Imperiex are powerful, but different power-sets of powerful...
Onslaught meets up with JLA and mind rapes them. End of story.
Reread what I wrote you seem to have missed were light is faster than thought in most current cases. That was my opinion if it were taken into comic book forum. It was after what i said about Onslaught being not FTL.
If the JLA could do this so easily, what happened with the Burning? The Martin Manhunter is nowhere as powerful as Onslaught, and Batman had to buy time to find a solution. The combined powers of the Avengers, The Fantastic Four, The Xmen, Doctor Doom, Iron man, The Hulk, Cable, Apocalyps, and Magneto. Yeah the JLA could beat all of them too.
Onslaught's power base: Nate Grey Upon examination by Moira Mactaggert, she suggested his psionic powers rivaled that of a Phoenix Force-imbued Jean Grey[4][5]. In another instance, he was measured as having a psionic energy output matching that of the Dark Phoenix [6]
Franklin Richards: Franklin is an Omega-level mutant possessing vast psionic powers. According to Roma, Franklin's power was equal to that of the Celestials. These powers have manifested as telepathy, telekinesis, energy blasts of concussive force (in adulthood), precognition, astral projection and reality manipulation -- the ability to make a thought or desire a reality. However, being a child, his abilities are restricted to an extent by his limited control -- at any given moment his powers could spawn the unthinkable with something less than a thought, or risk temporary depletion if overly exerted.
Erik Lensher: Magneto has the ability to generate and manipulate tremendously potent magnetic fields, which fields he uses most easily to move/control ferrous metals (iron, steel, etc.) and to achieve a wide range of other effects.
Because his personal magnetic field (i.e., the magnetic forces surrounding his own body) repels projectiles and absorbs energy attacks, Magneto is invulnerable to most harm when his personal field is active. His force field has withstood enormous forces including nuclear explosions. He is capable of personal levitation and sustained flight at high speeds, and can survive in the vacuum of deep space. He can also purposely channel his powers through his body for the purpose of temporarily increasing his strength, stamina, and agility to superhuman levels. Magneto has been depicted using his powers to lift submarines and oil tankers through levitation or sheer physical force. The absolute maximum amount of material he can levitate with his powers is unknown.
Magneto is able to perceive the world around him as patterns of electromagnetic energy, and can perceive the electrical auras given off by living beings. He has also demonstrated the ability to produce electricity as well as electromagnetic radiation. In a few instances Magneto has demonstrated the capacity to produce a wormhole, and to safely teleport himself and others by means of the wormhole.
Xavier: Professor X is a mutant who possesses vast telepathic powers, and is among the most powerful telepaths in the Marvel Universe.Xavier's vast psionic powers enable him to manipulate the minds of others, warp perceptions to make himself seem invisible, project mental illusions, cause loss of particular memories, and induce pain or temporary mental and/or physical paralysis in others. Within close range, he can manipulate almost any number of minds for such simple feats. However, he can only take full possession of one other mind at a time, and must strictly be within that person's physical presence. He has displayed telepathic prowess sufficient to confront Ego the Living Planet, as well as confront and narrowly defeat Exodus.[96]
Man I don't know...I think Onslaught wins this hands down.
onslaught wins this due to there being no beings on the team that could even dream of having the same amount of strength as a mindless hulk and that is what it would take to even get onslaught to recognize you. Onslaught even without tp has the ability to destroy the jla in less then a second. Maybe if you added the avengers they could give a better fight due to the avenger versatility.
Originally posted by SIAFON
If the JLA could do this so easily, what happened with the Burning? The Martin Manhunter is nowhere as powerful as Onslaught, and Batman had to buy time to find a solution. The combined powers of the Avengers, The Fantastic Four, The Xmen, Doctor Doom, Iron man, The Hulk, Cable, Apocalyps, and Magneto. Yeah the JLA could beat all of them too.Onslaught's power base: Nate Grey Upon examination by Moira Mactaggert, she suggested his psionic powers rivaled that of a Phoenix Force-imbued Jean Grey[4][5]. In another instance, he was measured as having a psionic energy output matching that of the Dark Phoenix [6]
Franklin Richards: Franklin is an Omega-level mutant possessing vast psionic powers. According to Roma, Franklin's power was equal to that of the Celestials. These powers have manifested as telepathy, telekinesis, energy blasts of concussive force (in adulthood), precognition, astral projection and reality manipulation -- the ability to make a thought or desire a reality. However, being a child, his abilities are restricted to an extent by his limited control -- at any given moment his powers could spawn the unthinkable with something less than a thought, or risk temporary depletion if overly exerted.
Erik Lensher: Magneto has the ability to generate and manipulate tremendously potent magnetic fields, which fields he uses most easily to move/control ferrous metals (iron, steel, etc.) and to achieve a wide range of other effects.Because his personal magnetic field (i.e., the magnetic forces surrounding his own body) repels projectiles and absorbs energy attacks, Magneto is invulnerable to most harm when his personal field is active. His force field has withstood enormous forces including nuclear explosions. He is capable of personal levitation and sustained flight at high speeds, and can survive in the vacuum of deep space. He can also purposely channel his powers through his body for the purpose of temporarily increasing his strength, stamina, and agility to superhuman levels. Magneto has been depicted using his powers to lift submarines and oil tankers through levitation or sheer physical force. The absolute maximum amount of material he can levitate with his powers is unknown.
Magneto is able to perceive the world around him as patterns of electromagnetic energy, and can perceive the electrical auras given off by living beings. He has also demonstrated the ability to produce electricity as well as electromagnetic radiation. In a few instances Magneto has demonstrated the capacity to produce a wormhole, and to safely teleport himself and others by means of the wormhole.
Xavier: Professor X is a mutant who possesses vast telepathic powers, and is among the most powerful telepaths in the Marvel Universe.Xavier's vast psionic powers enable him to manipulate the minds of others, warp perceptions to make himself seem invisible, project mental illusions, cause loss of particular memories, and induce pain or temporary mental and/or physical paralysis in others. Within close range, he can manipulate almost any number of minds for such simple feats. However, he can only take full possession of one other mind at a time, and must strictly be within that person's physical presence. He has displayed telepathic prowess sufficient to confront Ego the Living Planet, as well as confront and narrowly defeat Exodus.[96]
Man I don't know...I think Onslaught wins this hands down.
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