Kas'im and Mace Windu run the Gauntlet:

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It is noted he was the best swordsman of the time.

Bane speculates that he could be the best swordsman, when he'd never even met Raskta, not that he is. For me, Raskta appearing in front, behind and on either side of Bane at once, even though she was BMed> anything Kas'im ever did, which I think was 6 strikes a sec.
Either way, they might be close enough that they'd deadlock til' Bane beats Windu, but If Kas'im beats Raskta before Bane beats Mace (it would take a long time mi'thinks) then they win and might just clear (I don't know enough about teh 3 AS's). And Vice Versa.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Bane speculates that he [b]could be the best swordsman, when he'd never even met Raskta, not that he is. For me, Raskta appearing in front, behind and on either side of Bane at once, even though she was BMed> anything Kas'im ever did,

Can you Bane fanboys come up with anything stupider? Raskta just 'seemed to be in front and on either' side. That's code for moving really fast and keeping active.' She was not leaving behind afterimages so cut the crap there.

which I think was 6 strikes a sec.

Which 'you think?' Based upon?

Either way, they might be close enough that they'd deadlock til' Bane beats Windu,

If.

but If Kas'im beats Raskta before Bane beats Mace (it would take a long time mi'thinks) then they win and might just clear (I don't know enough about teh 3 AS's). And Vice Versa. [/B]

And Bane will beat Mace why exactly? For that matter, Raskta is the lesser swordsbeing to Kas'im, who's mastered every form and sequence.

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Can you Bane fanboys come up with anything stupider?

Yeah. You, actually having an argument without resorting to petty insults. Luke level of naivety.

Raskta just 'seemed to be in front and on either' side. That's code for moving really fast and keeping active.' She was not leaving behind afterimages so cut the crap there.

We'll have to sort this out when I can get ahold of the quote. Unless anyone post's it for us, or even you could do it. I guess there are laws against suicide though.

Which 'you think?' Based upon?

Memory and free thought. Freakin' miracles.

And Bane will beat Mace why exactly?

Read the Bane vs Mace thread, but off the top of my head.... skill+orbalisks.

For that matter, Raskta is the lesser swordsbeing to Kas'im, who's mastered every form and sequence.

Really? How's his Vaapad?

And the burden of proff is on you to prove that.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Yeah. You, actually having an argument without resorting to petty insults. Luke level of naivety.

It's called 'exasperation.'


We'll have to sort this out when I can get ahold of the quote. Unless anyone post's it for us, or even you could do it. I guess there are laws against suicide though.

She seemed to be everywhere at once-in front of Bane, beside him, behind him, circling low, leaping to come in high, deflecting his blade with one of her own then stabbing three quick times in succession at his eyes. The big man's head ducked and bobbed, twisting and turning to avoid her blows as he tried to mount a counteroffensive.
She's circling around Bane, attacking very fast. Where the hell do you get 'leaving behind afterimages?'


Memory and free thought. Freakin' miracles.

Nothing resembling 'true' or even slightly 'reliable.' Kas'im's number of strikes per second is never said


Read the Bane vs Mace thread, but off the top of my head.... skill+orbalisks.

Except Mace has superior skill + shatterpoint + Vaapad + familiarity with a curved hilt saber, +incredible strength, nullifying one of Bane's greatest advantages.


Really? How's his Vaapad?

And the burden of proff is on you to prove that.


At the time, his Juyo must've been amazing.
Of course, I wouldn't expect you to actually bother to prove your arguments, or even offer a good argument.
Kas'im had mastered every form and style available to his time and was the Sith's greatest swordsman. Raskta has what going for her vs. this exactly? Not only that, but Kas'im's abilities with the force>Raskta's, given she neglected her abilities there.

Evidence points to Kas'im there.

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Kas'im was the greatest duelist in the galaxy during his era. That quote isn't coming from Bane nor is anyone speculating on it.

Faunus Boss

Originally posted by Gideon
Could you humor me and post reasons why? Because, in all seriousness, I don't see it.
Reasons why in a Force-battle, Naga Sadow + Ludo Kressh > Mace Windu?

Because if they obliterate Mace, I'm thinking that Yoda or Sidious could annihilate them effortlessly.
What do Yoda or Sidious have to do with anything?

Maybe I'm missing something, but you're not making much sense.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Own is a bit of a strong term. Raskta was able to at least hold her own there and while Bane has improved, KAs'im with Jar'kai was substantially better than him ten years prior.
Kas'im was only about to defeat Bane once he pulled out the second lightsaber; it was made very clear that he was about to die. Ten years later, Bane would presumably have covered his greatest weakness, and coupled with the greater power in the Force and complete lack of need for defense, I see Kas'im getting slaughtered.

Of course, it could always go as Mace against Bane while Kas'im does away with Raskta
True.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by Faunus
Reasons why in a Force-battle, Naga Sadow [b]+ Ludo Kressh > Mace Windu?

What do Yoda or Sidious have to do with anything?

Maybe I'm missing something, but you're not making much sense.

Kas'im was only about to defeat Bane once he pulled out the second lightsaber; it was made very clear that he was about to die. Ten years later, Bane would presumably have covered his greatest weakness, and coupled with the greater power in the Force and complete lack of need for defense, I see Kas'im getting slaughtered.

True. [/B]

It's not just the 'Jar'kai' thing, it was Kas'im skill as well. Again, Raskta with BM was able to hold her own with Bane for a time, do you think Kas'im will just being outmatched in a saber duel?

Faunus Boss

Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's not just the 'Jar'kai' thing, it was Kas'im skill as well.
It was Kas'im's skill with Jar'Kai, and the fact that Bane had never faced it before in combat. Without that advantage, Kas'im would've been demolished.

Ten years later, Bane almost certainly would've covered that weakness (third time, now).

Again, Raskta with BM was able to hold her own with Bane for a time, do you think Kas'im will just being outmatched in a saber duel?
She "held her own" for a few seconds while Bane was trying to get at Worror. Your question ignores the fact that Bane had previously elbowed her into the air, Force-pushed her hard enough that even with Farfalla doing his best to slow her down she managed to get slammed into a wall, and later knocked her and her two companions over thirty feet away onto their asses with a roar.

All that, while she was being empowered by battle meditation. Without such assistance, the greatest duelist in the Jedi Order would've been trampled underfoot. Oh wait, that almost happened anyway.

So, yeah. Kas'im would get owned by Bane.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by Faunus
It was Kas'im's skill with Jar'Kai, and the fact that Bane had never faced it before in combat. Without that advantage, Kas'im would've been demolished.

Ten years later, Bane almost certainly would've covered that weakness (third time, now).


He's obviously familiarized himself with Jar'Kai by then. That doesn't translate to combating it perfectly.

She "held her own" for a few seconds while Bane was trying to get at Worror. Your question ignores the fact that Bane had previously elbowed her into the air, Force-pushed her hard enough that even with Farfalla doing his best to slow her down she managed to get slammed into a wall, and later knocked her and her two companions over thirty feet away onto their asses with a roar.

she was practically dancing around him, slashing at him constantly. Farfalla notes that he's giving ground before he disengages and goes for Worror. If he could have killed her stands to reason he would have, especially by this point, Bane isn't surprising them with the orbalisks.


All that, while she was being empowered by battle meditation. Without such assistance, the greatest duelist in the Jedi Order would've been trampled underfoot. Oh wait, that almost happened anyway.

So, yeah. Kas'im would get owned by Bane.


She cartwheels out of the way of that and it's mainly because she expected Bane to falling at her feet in pieces, not continuing to charge like nothing happened.

In regards to actual skill, Kas'im is certainly above Bane and Kas'im is capable of holding his own, if only briefly. If this occurs, Mace and Kas'im could go for separate opponents and I sincerely doubt Bane will stomp Mace into the ground

Faunus Boss

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He's obviously familiarized himself with Jar'Kai by then. That doesn't translate to combating it perfectly.
He doesn't need to combat it "perfectly," Lightsnake. You're grasping for straws.

she was practically dancing around him, slashing at him constantly. Farfalla notes that he's giving ground before he disengages and goes for Worror. If he could have killed her stands to reason he would have, especially by this point, Bane isn't surprising them with the orbalisks.
He'd already demonstrated the ability to crush her with the Force, and even with the assistance of the likewise BM'd Johun and Farfalla - she was actually able to use of both of their styles to her advantage - she couldn't break his defense. Meanwhile, "Jar'Kai" Kas'im completely overwhelmed Bane alone and under his own power.

There're differences between PoD / RoT Bane and "Jar'Kai" Kas'im / BM'd Raskta, Farfalla, and Johun that you're ignoring.

She cartwheels out of the way of that and it's mainly because she expected Bane to falling at her feet in pieces, not continuing to charge like nothing happened.
And Farfalla notes that the only reason they survived even the initial charge was because of Worror's battle-meditation; meaning without it, Bane would've simply trampled them with his speed and bulk.

In regards to actual skill, Kas'im is certainly above Bane
And it's irrelevant because Bane knows every sequence of every style inside out.

and Kas'im is capable of holding his own, if only briefly.
He couldn't even "hold his own" against PoD Bane. RoT Bane will curbstomp him.

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And it's irrelevant because Bane knows every sequence of every style inside out.

Oh really? I would like for you to point to a single source that claims this....

skywalker833 Senior Member

They wouldn't make it past 5. As simple as that.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by Faunus
He doesn't need to combat it "perfectly," Lightsnake. You're grasping for straws.

He'd already demonstrated the ability to crush her with the Force, and even with the assistance of the likewise BM'd Johun and Farfalla - she was actually able to use of both of their styles to her advantage - she couldn't break his defense. Meanwhile, "Jar'Kai" Kas'im completely overwhelmed Bane alone and under his own power.


It's difficult to break a defense when you've only got a small target and your opponent is towering above you. On their one on one, Bane did seem to be having difficulty avoiding her constant stabs at his head.

There're differences between PoD / RoT Bane and "Jar'Kai" Kas'im / BM'd Raskta, Farfalla, and Johun that you're ignoring.

I'm also just talking about the Raskta/Bane segment here. You can't honestly tell me that Bane could have killed her whenever he felt like it. One part of the reason Farfalla had to jump in at the end was Bane was right on Worror.

And Farfalla notes that the only reason they survived even the initial charge was because of Worror's battle-meditation; meaning without it, Bane would've simply trampled them with his speed and bulk.

Well, Farfalla notes that he himself only survived for that reason, yes. One issue is we've nothing to compare Raskta to in discerning base skill.

And it's irrelevant because Bane knows every sequence of every style inside out.

This is part of a reason why Mace would be an ideal choice to fight Bane. Also, with the orbalisks, would Bane have even bothered to research Jar'Kai?
Also, when did Bane know every sequence of every style inside and out? He knew all of Kas'im's DBL moves, yes, but correct me if I'm uninformed?

He couldn't even "hold his own" against PoD Bane. RoT Bane will curbstomp him.

Considering when he's using his presumably finest style and trump card in reverse...

But while I don't think for a second Kas'im could take Bane, Raskta is another story, while Mace and Bane fight.

Lightsnake Senior Member
Originally posted by skywalker833
They wouldn't make it past 5. As simple as that.

Don't make it seem like they don't have a chance.

skywalker833 Senior Member

Well, they don't have much of a chance.

Lightsnake Senior Member

If Mace takes on Bane and Kas'im fights Raskta, it's actually not a bad chance at all. Mace has some advantages against Bane a lot of people don't